Tsarnaev Family Besieged by Media, Angry Bostonians

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Maret Tsarnaeva, Dzhokar’s aunt who now lives in Russia, is among family members who were angered at the defense’s strategy to admit guilt and who still believes in her nephew’s innocence. Photo credit: CTV

Maret Tsarnaeva, Dzhokar’s aunt who now lives in Russia, is among family members who were angered at the defense’s strategy to admit guilt and who still believes in her nephew’s innocence. Photo credit: CTV

Because of threats, complaints and an increasingly bizarre media circus, family members of convicted Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were moved to an undisclosed location outside of the city—an ironic twist given that Tsarnaev’s trial, itself, was never given that same consideration.

Relatives tell WhoWhatWhy that members of Tsarnaev’s family traveled to Boston on April 24, but that group only included extended family from Zubeidat Tsarnaeva (Dzhokhar’s mother’s) side of the family. The Revere, MA Hampton Inn Hotel where they were staying was besieged with cancellations and complaints for hosting the family even though his parents weren’t among them.

The Boston press probably has spent more time hounding these family members than asking them questions about the glaring discrepancies in the case. They are trotting out their experts to opine about what they might testify to during the sentencing phase—rather than asking the family what they know about the Tsarnaev brothers, their opinions, their activities, or anything else that might explain why they feel they are innocent of any involvement in the bombings.

But Tsarnaev’s aunt, Maret, in an email, said it was her understanding that the defense did not plan for the relatives to testify, but court observers say at least some of them will testify on Monday. She said defense team members told her that “when jurors look at these relatives, they might find that some of them would remind them of their own uncle, or aunt, or a cousin, or… and that way, there can be a personal connection attached to it, and with that connection, the jurors might (go) easy on choosing the punishment for Dzhokhar.”

That’s optimistic thinking, at least if the jurors are anything like those commenting on various Boston media sites who liken the family members—many of whom have not seen Tsarnaev since he was a little boy—to monsters and moochers. One Twitter denizen even Tweeted out a map to the hotel and advocated for a “Punch-A-Tsarnaev-Day.” (This despite the reality that most people, faced with a relative accused of a crime of any sort, are inclined to give the relative the benefit of the doubt—and that we expect them to do that.)

As if it weren’t enough that the family was forced to change hotels after the leaks brought media, court observers Tweeted Friday that the family were wearing ankle monitors. The family members are here under subpoena; therefore, they are required to be in the country or face a contempt of court charge.

The family is in the protective custody of more than a dozen FBI agents and U.S. Marshals. but that, presumably, is because they have faced the vitriolic attacks mentioned in this article. There is no indication they are flight risks or have criminal records. One member is an elderly woman – possibly Tsarnaev’s maternal grandmother.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has come under fire in the past several years for placing ankle monitors on foreign nationals, sparking lawsuits and outrage from human rights advocates; however, the practice has not subsided. There is very little – if any – information on the legality of placing these monitors on foreign nationals who are only here under subpoena and not to immigrate, but it would seem that this practice is somewhat over-the-top in this instance – particularly since the family is already under tight security.

The Sixth Amendment

Some Bostonians, including some of the surviving victims, are outraged that the defense paid for the trip out of their budget, which is funded by taxpayers.

“Why should our country pay for them when that family committed a violent act against our country? Not to mention, all of the free government services this family previously enjoyed on the backs of the taxpayers including government assistance and a free ride to UMass Dartmouth,” said victim Marc Fucarile in a statement to MyFox Boston. “In contrast, I was denied housing assistance I sought after the bombings, even though I needed a handicapped-accessible apartment, and my wife lost her job as a result of the events.”

While Fucarile may have a point about his own situation, the simple answer regarding the Tsarnaev relative importation, of course, is the US Constitution. The Sixth Amendment affords Tsarnaev a right to a fair trial—which includes the sentencing phase—and certain expenditures are warranted to ensure that happens.

Better Use of Taxpayers Money: Get the Facts

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will either be sentenced to death or life without possibility of parole. But did he really do it? Or was he set up? Photo credit: United States Marshals Service / Wikimedia

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will either be sentenced to death or life without possibility of parole. But did he really do it? Or was he set up? Photo credit: United States Marshals Service / Wikimedia

But, Fucarile isn’t alone in questioning why the defense spent so much to bring these family members in for this phase of the trial.

A relative of Anzor Tsarnaev, father of the accused, also suggested the defense “stop wasting their taxpayers money” on the trip. That person argued the defense should have worked “on hard facts of the evidence at hand, that clearly showed Dzhokhar was not with a black backpack (as alleged in the indictment).

WhoWhatWhy has asked similar questions since the bombings occurred. We have mused about the backpacks, noted curious issues surrounding the killing of MIT Police Officer Sean Collier which sparked the strange Watertown shootout on the night of April 18, 2013, and about whether Dzhokhar’s brother and accomplice, Tamerlan, was an FBI informant, a double agent or connected to the Feds in some other way. We have pointed out sinkholes in witness testimony (here and here) and questioned voir dire.

Who was Tamerlan Tsarnaev? And who is Dzhokhar? What could the family tell us? Why have the press not tried to find out?  Why has the defense told the family to talk to no one?

Was overcoming the massive groupthink of the Boston media, the hoopla it provoked, and the resulting public fury too much for the defense?

Certainly the defense knew what they were up against when they tried four times to get the trial moved out of Boston. They even twice appealed rulings by trial Judge George A. O’Toole to keep it in the city. Each time, the defense pointed to new information about the community’s pre-trial certitude concerning his guilt, and noted that very few potential jurors had no connection to or opinion on the case.

They lost this bid and the trial started quickly—commencing several months faster than most death penalty cases.

In the end, Tsarnaev’s attorneys opted for an “it was him” defense and are working solely to save him from the death penalty. The defense rarely challenged the official narrative and limited cross examination to a handful of the prosecution’s witnesses.

And, when it came the defense’s turn to present its side, their witness list restricted testimony to those who could show their client played a lesser role in planning and executing the bombing. The jury took only 11 hours to return a conviction of Tsarnaev on all 30 counts—which is barely enough time to read the several-page verdict list and fill out the copious required forms.

The sentencing phase resumed April 27 at John Moakley Federal Courthouse with the defense making its case for life in a Supermax prison without possibility of parole. It’s doubtful whether many—or any—of the scores of important unanswered questions will be addressed while the defense is only focused on their strategy of portraying their client as under the sway of his older brother.

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  3. Jezzer says:

    Tsarnaev really did do it and is bad.

  4. Inshort says:

    And here is something more disconcerting on the agenda: Paul Jay at TRNN is suggesting that the Baltimore curfew and the excessive police presence called out to maintain the Baltimore curfew in the wake of murder by police of Freddy Gray is quite possibly a practice exercise for the institution of martial law.

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=13782

    Added to that, we have the upcoming Jade Helm exercise scheduled for the summer throughout the southwest from Texas to California. And provocations like the TPP…

    What are they up to? We have reasons to be very very concerned.

  5. Beantoes says:

    This whole case stinks of “PATSY”

  6. Inshort says:

    The essential questions are not asked because no one wants their little applecart of preconceived ideas (and MSM-hyped lies and propaganda) upset. This charade is sickening. Who, among you, having bothered to follow the US government’s tracks via the FBI and CIA on these major internal upheavals has forgotten Waco, OKC bombing, Osama bin Laden, the 29 children murdered in Connecticut (and then the mimicry showing support for these flatly unconstitutional events… say in Paris? Charlie Hebdo??… one after another after another: We get the event; people are murdered and maimed and before you can snap your fingers, the authorities have nabbed the perpetrator (s), tried and convicted him/them, (or summarily killed…) and we can all rest in peace—until the next incident.

    We are being had. This baboon who was supposedly the defense lawyer and immediately copped a guilty plea for Dzokhar: WHO paid her off? How much money was she given to shill for the government and its out-of-control intelligence agencies?

    We are now officially a police state: These are the kinds of things the Romans did to entertain the peons. Heaven help us!

  7. oh_look says:

    If the defense doesn’t pull something amazing out of the hat soon, I am left to believe that they are simply the other side of the same coin as the Prosecution – Heads I win, Tails you lose. Either way the Government WINS because either way nobody will ever hear or see the young man again. How Ironic this is, since the Gov is so good at the illusion of Dualism in all they do; i.e. the “two-party” system. Now, we see how they have MONOPOLIZED both sides of this trial.
    The KID HAS HAD NO TRIAL.
    Judy Clarke is NOT the nice little lady the media portrays her as. Either way the Boy is dead, one way is quick the other a slow death.
    I prefer they give him the death penalty: He would then have a chance at appealing with a REAL lawyer instead of the Phoney GOV agent that he got. I don’t believe in the death penalty, but it is awful he has to live his life in a small cell, when REAL criminals like the ENTIRE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, Bankers, and thousands of other “Elitists” doing MUCH WORSE crimes to millions of people, continue to live freely.
    Who knows what they’ve been telling the poor young man, but most likely have been leading him on. He is obviously with some kind of brain damage as well.

    • Jackie says:

      An appeal with new lawyers? Do you have any idea the cost for something like that? Unless the family secretly has a million bucks laying around they’d have to find someone to do it for free.

    • Antonina Paskaleva says:

      There is a rich successful uncle somewhere in Maryland. In addition, you never know what people can do for no or little money. Anyway, appeals are mandatory with DP. The question is what defense team will appeal, and what will be appealed – the verdict, the sentencing, the fair trial presumption, civil rights violation, etc.

    • Jackie says:

      But that’s the same uncle who called the brothers losers on national TV and said he had no intention of going to trial. I can’t see him giving them even $5

    • Antonina Paskaleva says:

      what you say on national TV is one thing, what you do is another

    • Inshort says:

      Exactly.

    • danny j says:

      Uncle Ruslan Tsarni, was married to the daughter of CIA Agent, Graham Fuller.

      http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2013/04/boston-bombing-uncle-ruslan-married-daughter-of-top-cia-official-2459688.html

      From his official biography, we learn Graham was “the National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia at CIA, and in 1986 Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council at CIA, with overall responsibility for national level strategic forecasting.”

      later, he “joined the RAND Corporation where he was a senior political scientist for 12 years. His research focused primarily on the Middle East, Central Asia, South and Southeast Asia, and the politics of ethnicity and religion.”

      You know, things like Chechen Muslims and their decades-long war against Russia.

      http://grahamefuller.com/about/

      Uncle Ruslan ran an operation out of the Fuller address that worked with CIA and may have funded Chechen Terrorist Groups who have been fighting against Russia since the 1990s.

      http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/05/03/uncle-ruslan-tsarnis-organization-may-have-funded-terrorists/

      http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/29/bos2-j29.html

      http://www.voltairenet.org/article178524.html

      In short, I don’t see him changing spots and coming to Dzhokar’s rescue.

    • Inshort says:

      More likely the uncle offered up Dzhokar and his brother as sacrificial lambs to the US intelligence agencies who are constantly looking for patsies to grease the wheels of their increasingly “cookie-cutter” operations. The consequences for the poor fools who are taken in and the victims who end up maimed or murdered are vast, not to speak of the citizenry who is supposed to be chastened by these events. By now we should, however, be able to recognize the patterns and the signs that indicate a false flag operation. Their makers are not very innovative.

    • danny j says:

      If I were a betting man, I’d put money on Tamarlan having been set up by FBI in one of their many “Terrorist” sting operations.

    • oh_look says:

      Can he appeal if he gets Life?

    • jane24 says:

      Yes, but appeals should this be the case of LWOP are not a certainty as they will be if he is sentenced to death.

  8. Nanthereporter says:

    First, to the media reporting what they’re told: As the same officials you are feeding information to the masses for tighten their hold on our freedoms, you will be down here with the rest of us losing because you didn’t do your job to begin with. Second, on Jahar’s sentencing: Life or death, that kid is going to receive the sentence they want him to under the guise of justice, meaning if he receives death, it will be fastest execution you’ve ever seen and should he get life, I suspect he won’t live long.

    I wonder what he remembers, if anything, and if they’ve manipulated him to the point he believes they are doing what’s right for him. He has to remember that night in some form. His brother died. He is dangerous to the government alive. I don’t believe they will deport him.

  9. Jackie says:

    I love reading WWW’s coverage of this case but to listen to any of the ramblings of Maret isn’t your best bet. She has had nothing to do with any of the kids for about 8 years now but suddenly has appointed herself as Jahars savior? She spends a great deal of her energy on her hatred of her sister in law while also ignoring both the lawyers and family’s countless requests to not air her ramblings to the public…not because she’s right but because she is anything but and when the media humors her, the public gets the idea that the entire family is as ill informed and as out there as she is…a perception that can only harm Jahar’s chances at avoiding the death penalty. The guilt phase can’t be retried but if Maret cared as much as she claims, she’d do everything in her power to not make things worse. She claims to be a lawyer but argued that at 19 Jahar wasn’t a legal adult and couldn’t make decisions on his own behalf, she thinks that her sister in law and not the SAM’s that have been in place nearly 2 years are the reason Jahar can’t call her (and wouldn’t want to) anyway. She also demanded that the defense call her during the guilt phase as a “witness”. To what is anyone’s guess including hers since, like I said, she hadn’t had anything to do with the kids for years and no one is going to call her to testify that “it was the government, the victims are fake etc”. If she really wanted to show support why not come to Boston and sit in court and let Jahar see her and she him since she claims his own lawyers have him drugged with some mind altering memory erasing drug (I wish I was making this up) ? But no, apparently she’d rather just sit in Grozny complaining on blogs and selling her story to Time magazine who IMO were nuts to waste their time or money.

    • Crime Reporter says:

      I’m going to guess she’s not allowed to come to the United States.

    • Jackie says:

      No one forced her out of Toronto…I don’t think legally there is a single thing keeping her from coming back to North America. Or she could talk to Ruslan who, despite all the negative comments he continues to make about the boys she defends to no end, to come to court. Even if he didn’t testify, he could show support by his presence. Kinda surprised given his very vocal disgust for Zubeidat and Tamerlan that the defense didn’t subpoena him. There would be no shortage of insulting Tamerlan in that testimony.

  10. lofty1 says:

    It’s as if the Boston Herald posted that tweet to stir up the vigilante types and create a story. I wonder how many cancellations there really were before the news trucks arrived.

  11. jane24 says:

    Thanks, Lara Turner! The behavior of many in the media and also some members of the public when they learned that Tsarnaev family members had arrived from Russia was horrendous. Don’t these fools realize that these people could have had absolutely nothing to do with the bombing? Seems attitudes in Massachusetts have progressed little since the late 1600’s…(Not to mention, as pointed out in this article, that many citizens seem to be in complete ignorance as to what is contained in their own Constitution!

    Still so many questions in regard to this case, and as yet, few answers! Tsarnaev’s defense team’s strategy has thus far come across as muted. Did a lack of time to prepare for this trial play a role in their strategy? Is their only goal to avert the death penalty or are they also focused on future appeals? If the “justice” system in this country has a shred of “justice” remaining, let us fervently hope it is the latter. (The alternative is scary to contemplate.)

    • Inshort says:

      Three years isn’t enough time to prepare for a trial? There’s no justice system left in this country. That’s been obvious for a long time. We have only justice for the One Percent. And for the rest of us, mock trials that don’t tell us anything. The whole system is crooked and the fact that Americans don’t recognize that their beloved democracy disappeared a number of years ago is what is scary to contemplate.

      To spell it out, here’s a quote from Henry Kissinger who’s been helping to run this country for the past half century: “The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

    • Lara Turner says:

      I guess I’m misunderstanding you, but this case went to trial in 20 months, not three years. However, the average death penalty case does take three to five years to go to trial and most have far fewer counts.

    • Inshort says:

      My apologies–I was actually responding to “jane24” and the hypothetical question of “did a lack of time to prepare for this trial play a role in [the Defense’s] strategy… and guesstimating when the event actually occurred. I agree with the tenor of Antonina Paskaleva’s question about how to appeal a verdict when the defense has already pronounced their client guilty. This was not a trial; it was a plea bargain to give the real perpetrators just what they wanted.

      I don’t believe for a moment that Dzokhar Tsarnaev is the guilty party in this horrific event. The Boston Marathon bombing follows too closely the outlines of other terrorist attacks to which we’ve been subjected in recent years.

      If people could see the extent to which they are being manipulated, stop reacting in fear and anger and start asking the necessary questions, the truth might begin to surface and these false flags brought to an end. Until we begin to understand who is really doing this–and why–, the PTB will certainly continue to terrorize us.

    • onetree says:

      Yes, thank you!

    • jane24 says:

      As Lara below, I am not sure what you mean in terms of your question? I am in complete agreement with the rest of your comment.

    • Inshort says:

      Hi Jane, I was actually responding to your question re the defense and lack of time to prepare a strategy. In any case, I wrote the following response to Lara which is, for the time being, in the pending file:

      My apologies–I was actually responding to “jane24” and the hypothetical question of “did a lack of time to prepare for this trial play a role in [the Defense’s] strategy… and guesstimating when the event actually occurred. I agree with the tenor of Antonina Paskaleva’s question about how to appeal a verdict when the defense has already pronounced their client guilty. This was not a trial; it was a plea bargain to give the real perpetrators just what they wanted.

      I don’t believe for a moment that Dzokhar Tsarnaev is the guilty party in this horrific event. The Boston Marathon bombing follows too closely the outlines of other terrorist attacks to which we’ve been subjected in recent years.

      If people could see the extent to which they are being manipulated, stop reacting in fear and anger and start asking the necessary questions, the truth might begin to surface and these false flags brought to an end. Until we begin to understand who is really doing this–and why–, the PTB will certainly continue to terrorize us.

      End of comment to Lara — At the same time, I do understand that it’s hard not to be swept up in the drama; a first step is to acquire the courage of one’s convictions. A lot of us suspect that we are being played, but are uncertain of its limits and of our own beliefs.

    • Inshort says:

      Jane… I responded to both you and Lara, but for some reason my comments require approval from higher authority and both are pending.

    • jane24 says:

      Thanks, Inshort. I do believe you! Noticed earlier that comments on this thread are disappearing and reappearing today. (Discus “issues”?)

    • Inshort says:

      Something else that’s been very seriously on my mind is what have the authorities been doing to this man child since his incarceration. They don’t dare murder him because they need him but I suspect that he has been abused–and maybe severely so.

      Here’s a link to a very impressive Alex Jones production called State of Mind. It’s the post WWII history of mind control experimentation in the United States. Our government has a lot to answer for; they are hiding even more.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyaCDlguX5Q&spfreload=10

    • jane24 says:

      Devens is said to be one of the “better” federal prisons. (And I mean in the opinion of some of those who have been inmates at Devens, rather than in the opinion of this facility’s pr officer!) That being said, extended solitary confinement is a massive abusive in and of itself. The negative effects of solitary were documented as early as the 1800’s and yet incidence of this form of incarceration are on the increase within the US? It would seem that attitudes to the penal system in this country are in some form of regression rather than having evolved.

      The USG does have much to answer for. Multiple examples of experiments being conducted on unsuspecting sectors of the American public as early as the 1940’s. (Sorry this one’s a little off topic!)

    • Inshort says:

      But is it really off topic? I’m not a young American… I’ve lived a long time in this country, born and bred here — It’s only been in the last five years (with the help of alternative media) that I’ve awakened to what this country is all about. Yes, I know Black America has suffered irredeemably, and if there is any redemption in this terrible awakening, it is one of compassion for the many people who are suffering here and everywhere because of our greed, insouciance and now the rank evilness of the faction that has assumed complete control of our government. This has been a long time happening, but we must awaken and do everything we can to end it.

      I don’t underestimate the enormity of this problem — I live in the middle of the Pacific, a long way from Boston. The NYT is a completely worthless newspaper, a mouthpiece for the MSM, so for some reason I signed up for the Boston Globe. Thunderstruck at how a city with so many renowned educational institutions can put up with such a shoddy news organ, and even more appalled at the viciousness of the people commenting on the Globe’s BS and this trial, in particular. They are all brainwashed — maybe almost as brainwashed as D. Tsarnaev probably is at this point.

      If these people continue on utterly clueless re what’s happening in this country, to them, and to all of us, our situation degrades to hopeless. Nonetheless, I continue to have hope. What would life be without hope?

    • jane24 says:

      In agreement with you, Inshort. This case is not one isolated incident but a small part of a large and malevolent pattern. Share your incredulity in regard to Boston! Too many see no further than the end of their street. As you say, there is always hope…(One of the reasons, I believe, that we continue to speak out.)

    • onetree says:

      Absolutely! But they have to keep him in reasonable shape until the trial is over at least. It’s very possible and even likely that he’s being drugged so that he cannot participate fully in this trial for his life. Once the trial is over and he’s taken to wherever, then who knows what could happen. I’m convinced he’s totally innocent and should never have been charged, let alone convicted.

    • Antonina Paskaleva says:

      If you start your defense with “It was him” how do you go to appeal the verdict? I guess, a legal question.

    • jane24 says:

      I’m still trying to get my head round what I believe to be the defense’s strategy! Sometimes I think I’m getting there and then they throw in another curve ball…Thoughts evolving on this.

    • Antonina Paskaleva says:

      They have been very consistent with their approach from day one. I do not expect any surprises anymore. For them getting the LWOP would be a victory. Being locked as a caged animal at the age of 21 to me is a disaster, not a victory. By the same token, if Dzhokhar gets the DP, they would appeal for LWOP instead – my opinion. So back to my point – “it was him” goes not go along with appealing he verdict.
      He needs a new defense team during his appeals.

    • jane24 says:

      I agree with you, Antonia, that LWOP, in the conditions in which this would be, should not be considered a “victory” or even morally acceptable to anyone with an ounce of humanity. My feelings on this led me to post comments which were critical of Tsarnaev’s defense, (most specifically Clarke and Bruck), on another forum earlier this week. Since then, as my comment above, my thoughts have evolved.

      Just how much of a real defense, I wonder, were the defense even permitted to present? Going up against the USG, which in essence is what they would have to have done and this can surely be no easy, (or safe?), thing to do? The judge in this case has displayed that he is obviously biased since his appointment to this case. The defense would have been aware of the preconceptions as regards this case, which are prevalent in Boston, and due in the most part to the insidious pretrial publicity, and of the poisoned jury pool. Could it be that they perceived that under such circumstances any active defense they were permitted to mount would not succeed regardless of quality? Is their focus to avert the death penalty but also the appeals process? Will they attempt to secure a new trial or even an overturning of convictions.?

      I am not saying that you are wrong or that I am right. (Two days ago I would likely have wholeheartedly agreed with you.) Not saying that what I have suggested will be, but just that this is possible and perhaps worth some consideration…Either way, we will find out soon enough.

    • onetree says:

      Absolutely! And the more I see of this sham trial, the angrier I feel. The psychopaths have definitely taken over the asylum. This kid could be anyone’s kid. If they can bum rush someone into death penalty or shove them off to a horrible supermax prison who we know is innocent, what will they do next?

    • onetree says:

      The government has full control of this case. Public defenders work for the government and so, of course, does the judge. The strategies/instructions have come down from above. Did you know there were private attorneys who asked to work on this case and were turned down by the government? Why do you suppose they were refused? They might work pro bono and save the government some money. But no, it’s not about that. It’s only about getting a conviction and making sure no one ever knows why the boys were at the marathon that day and what really happened.

    • jane24 says:

      I had heard rumors of this, onetree, but have seen and heard nothing to substantiate. If true, this is very disturbing.

    • onetree says:

      You probably won’t hear it from the government since they hold their secrets very close. I’ll try to find the source I heard it from.

    • jane24 says:

      Oh no, I would not expect to hear this from the government. Would very much appreciate if you are able to find a source and I do thank you.

    • onetree says:

      Well, I didn’t have it quite right. They were public defenders who came to Tsarnaev at the hospital and were turned away. Here is a Motion to Suppress that explains that situation, as well as his injuries, how he was treated by the FBI, and discusses prior cases with similar aspects.

      http://c.o0bg.com/rw/Boston/2011-2020/2014/05/07/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Graphics/tsarnaev_motion.pdf
      Something very bothersome about the motion to suppress is the fact the the attorneys wrote in it, while supposedly requesting that the statements made under duress at the hospital by Tsarnaev be suppressed, states that he told FBI about how the bombs were made. Of course, we don’t know what he said or didn’t say because the FBI is not required to tape their interrogations. Personally, I don’t believe the brothers ever had any bombs. But even if they did, it strikes me as very peculiar that the attorneys would mention this specifically in a motion to suppress.

      Anyway, even if you’ve read it before it’s worth re-reading if only for the description of his injuries and how he was treated by the FBI.

    • jane24 says:

      Thank you for clarifying and also for posting this link. I had read this a long time ago, but, as you say, onetree, it is good to re-read and refresh.

      This interrogation, of course, should not have taken place when Dzhokhar was in this condition. (A few brief questions in the interests of “public safety” should surely have sufficed?) In many nations interrogation of a suspect in this condition would not have been permitted on humanitarian grounds. Aside from this, how much value could be placed on information gained from someone under the influence of opiates?

      I take your point on how odd it is that the defense should mention alleged info on how the bombs were made.(?) (And another good reason to re-read!) Curious that the FBI now maintain that they know not who made the bombs or even where they were made?

    • onetree says:

      Yes, indeed. One more thing I just remembered was the fact that Dzhokhar had asked repeatedly whether his brother was alive and where he was. He obviously had no idea if Tamerlan was alive or dead. This pretty much wipes out credibility of the government’s assertion that the “boat confession” was written by Dzhokhar because it states something like “I do not mourn Tamerlan…he’s a martyr now…” And then when you realize how badly he was injured, then that possibility is diminished even further.

      That motion also mentions that FBI agents searched the Cambridge apartment for 12 hours (more than plenty of time to trash the place). Then the media (the NY Daily News in this case) writes an article titled, “Suspected Boston Marathon bombers lived in squalid, ramshackle apartment” insinuating they were slovenly and less than human. This is just one example of the media’s complicity in the propaganda war for the hearts and minds of the public. There are probably thousands of other examples. Sometime along the way, the FBI went ahead and “leaked” an alleged hospital confession to the media.

    • Inshort says:

      The other almost certain aspect of this case is brainwashing. The US government perfected its techniques in the 1960s? 1970s? to create a so-called “Manchurian candidate” under the MK Ultra program with the help of resurrected Nazis from WWII. This is another chilling story in our illustrious history. Given that the government has these techniques and has repeatedly lied about it–along with so many other things–you can be certain they have tampered with Dzokhar’s mind, and that next to nothing the public is being told about any of this is trustworthy.

    • onetree says:

      Yes, and it’s true that nothing that comes from mainstream media/ government (really the same thing nowadays) can be trusted at all. It makes me so angry! That they can just pick out some patsies, make stuff up, create false evidence, mind control the public, and then totally screw up a perfectly good kid’s life as well as everyone in his whole family and most of his closest friends. It’s beyond horrible.

      I’m hoping that this incredibly elaborate hoax that’s been created will unravel so that even the mind controlled general public will see clearly how they’ve been deceived, that their beloved government is the real perpetrator of all of these “terrorist” false flags, and that Dzhokhar will be set free and his name will be completely cleared so that he can go on and have a decent life as he deserves. Also, that everyone knows the truth about Tamerlan — which I’m now thinking is that he was doing “favors” for the FBI/CIA/DHS because he was coerced (which did not include any bombing or killing at all), and that he had been threatened with prosecution for the Waltham murders, possibly along with Ibragim Todashev and/or Dzhokhar (which they’re all innocent of), and that the government was quite capable of making those charges stick so that they’d all be convicted.

      Whatever sentence he receives Dzhokhar will then be under complete control of the government, all 100% illegally. I don’t want to think about that yet and I’m hoping the whole scam will fall apart before it gets too far into that sickening possibility.

    • Inshort says:

      This article here by Russ Baker — it’s long/haven’t read it all — sheds some hopeful light on an awakening among the citizenry.

      https://whowhatwhy.org/2014/04/14/uss-boston-bombing-report-hints-even-darker-reality/

      It will take a while— In the meantime, we stay informed, stay tuned to the alternative media and pass what we’ve learned along.

      I’m going to cancel my subscription tomorrow to the Boston Globe. It rivals the NYT for production of specious garbage. The government has used the mind control techniques honed over these many years to completely take over and control the media… so in essence not listening to the MSM is as vital as not eating GMOs. It becomes absolutely necessary to keep one’s mind uncontaminated. Maybe someone like the highly astute and educated Chalmers Johnson can read the NYT and immediately discard the nonsense, but a good many of us cannot do that — so it’s best to avoid any association with mainstream media.

      One can hope that little by little the day will arrive when no one reads the MSM.

    • Inshort says:

      I often try to imagine what the reaction of your average outraged/incensed Bostonian might be were it to be demonstrated to him/her that the savagery unleashed at the Boston Marathon was actually gratis the US government.

    • onetree says:

      Yes, I think it will put a lot of people’s brains into a spin of chaos and confusion and something they won’t want to believe until there’s no other choice. But once they get it, I think the rage will be unleashed and it will be pointed in the correct direction.

    • jane24 says:

      Yes, onetree. The emt who treated Dzhokhar in the ambulance after his capture at the boat also testified, last week, that he asked where his brother was. This, combined with the FBI’s notes does seem to shed yet more doubt on the origins of that “boat note.”

      Judith Russell, the mother of Katherine Russell, (Tamerlan’s wife), testified in court as a witness for the defense on Monday of last week. She managed to slip into her testimony that her daughter’s and son-in-law’s home was “nothing like it had been portrayed in the media.” Their propaganda knows no bounds and they will seize upon the smallest thing in order to manipulate people’s thinking.

      Far too many leaks and no one held accountable. (Not, of course, that we would expect there to be!)

    • Inshort says:

      Jane, probably the closest parallel to the Tsarnaev case is Timothy McVeigh and the OKC bombing. There is a documentary called “A Noble Lie”–you can see it on YouTube. It details the tortuous and for us, disgraceful, bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.

      How does the government get by with this? Part of it is because the citizenry just finds it too “disturbing” to contemplate that it would do something like this. But Yes, it would do something like this. It has done this lots and lots and lots of times–is, in fact, doing it all the time. In fact, one could argue that the primary business of the US government is to go out and murder people.

      So start with the murder of JFK, the millions of Vietnamese murdered for no reason, and in between numerous forays into Latin American countries, Henry Kissinger’s push to overthrow Allende and the bloody aftermath of that event. Poppy Bush’s vicious and very ugly night raid on Panama where he murdered thousands of innocent people and the campaign in East Timor… Those are only a few “farther back” events.

      There’s a great documentary out now called Everything is a Rich Man’s… I’ll come back here with the link. It’s three and one-half hours long but riveting and well worth the time spent.

      TRICK! How could I have forgotten that word? Here’s the link:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

    • jane24 says:

      I am familiar with the OKC bombing/ McVeigh case, (and those “irregularities”), and this event was one of those which initially prompted me to become guarded in my acceptance of those “official narratives.” There is, as you say, much cause for concern not confined to only recent events. I will make time to watch the video to which you have posted a link. Thank you, Inshort.

    • Inshort says:

      Hi Jane, I cancelled my subscription to the Boston Globe today and with great reluctance went back one more time to verify that it was the right thing to do and I hadn’t made a mistake. The paper upsets me endlessly. If you go in and read any of the columns on the Tsarnaev affair and then glance through the comments sections, you see nothing but one rabid hate-filled comment after another. No one, but no one, has the guts to stand up for this guy despite the fact that one of the columns today revealed some of this man’s very admirable qualities. This is what the White population did to Blacks on the way to the nearest hanging tree. It’s a direct result of propaganda, media distortion, lies. And stupidity.

      The Tsarnaev picture is totally — and no doubt purposefully — out of focus. I listened to some of the audio casts here and was reminded of the murder by the FBI of the friend Todashev? in Florida… It used to be that inconsistency and revelations of this type were an immediate red flag that would put a crook in any investigator’s nose. No more.

      All these people want is blood. Our humanity is seriously endangered by this. All of us are now part of a sick, sleazy culture that is itself so brainwashed, so dumbed down that for us parameters of meaningfulness are reduced to contemplating some innocent like Dzokhar being sent to the electric chair.