Boston MIT Cop Cover-Up

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Sean-Collier-Red-Sox-4-20-13All one has to do is consider the eyewitness accounts of the shootout in Watertown to realize that the Tsarnaev brothers were almost certainly not—as a surprisingly large number of people posting comments on this site and around the Internet seem to believe—harmless naïfs who did nothing wrong. Whether or not they planted the bombs at the 2013 Boston Marathon, whether or not they acted alone or in concert with others, whether they were ideologues or dupes, it seems evident that they were involved in some kind of violent adventure culminating in the death of Tamerlan Tsarnaev and the shooting and apprehension of his brother Dzhokhar.

I spent Wednesday of this week talking to residents of the streets where the shootouts took place, and there doesn’t seem to be any doubt that both brothers were there, were armed, and threw bombs at police.

Nonetheless, many aspects of the story remain unclear, and decidedly troublesome. And getting to the bottom of this complex story is not just an option—we cannot afford as a society to have large traumas of this sort come and go without clarity. Otherwise, we are all dupes, of one kind or another.

We’ve raised reasonable questions about the events surrounding the Marathon bombing in previous articles,  from the presence of mysterious black-clad security men with well-stuffed backpacks at the race to the FBI and CIA’s awareness of the Tsarnaev family long before April 15, 2013. (See thisthis and this.)

Now, some might say that nothing else matters as long as police got their men. However, it is often in the details, the “weeds,” if you will, where we find that a narrative can be useful as far as it goes and yet terribly misleading in terms of what it all means. As we’ve noted, many much-loved historical narratives turn out to be little more than carefully crafted myths around a few core facts.

Our media and our leading interpreters of events explain everything in terms that the unsophisticated can easily grasp. Yet in the real world, happenings may take place for a welter of reasons that even those directly involved may not be aware of.

It is with this in mind that we’ve been down in the weeds.

The “Confession”

If there’s one thing out of all the “facts” that emerged in the early hours and days after the bombing that cemented the Tsarnaevs’ capital-G Guilt, it was, unquestionably, the killing of MIT police officer Sean Collier on the night of Thursday, April 18, three days after the explosions at the Marathon.

At the time of Collier’s shooting, the FBI had just released video of two unnamed “persons of interest” walking with backpacks—shown amid many other people walking with backpacks. The still-anonymous Tsarnaevs were nothing more than people with whom the FBI wanted to talk. No hard evidence had been released that connected them to the bombing itself.

Within hours of the FBI video release, everything went nuts. First came word of “officer down” at MIT. Then, quickly, news of a carjacking. Then police swarming everywhere. Then a shootout and the death of one suspect, followed by a lull, and then the discovery and near-death of the second suspect.

Soon came the narrative to explain much, if not all. The suspects in the video had been behind both the bombing and the killing of the police officer. We knew that because the carjacking victim had escaped, and told police and later selected media how his captors had confessed to him.

Boston Globe reporter Eric Moskowitz gained cooperation from the still-unnamed hostage (nicknamed “Danny”). Here’s a portion of Danny’s tale, in which the elder Tsarnaev, Tamerlan, confessed during the carjacking:

He asked if [Danny] had followed the news about Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings

[snip]

“I did that,” said the man, who would later be identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev. “And I just killed a policeman in Cambridge.”

We’ll have more to say about the carjacking in a subsequent article. But for now, the key thing to remember is that in some ways, the shooting of Officer Collier immediately before the carjacking and the alleged confession in the car—to both crimes—were absolutely essential in creating the first profile of the Tsarnaevs as murder-minded individuals, not just two guys on a video wearing backpacks. 

Collier as Officer Tippit

Besides playing a central role in establishing a case against the brothers, Collier’s death also served a powerful symbolic purpose in the official narrative, with a huge memorial service for the MIT officer on April 24, addressed by Vice President Biden. Throughout, the spotlight has been on Collier as Hero—a kind of ritualistic hagiography devoid of any inclination to investigate the actual circumstances of his death.

For students of history, however, this part of the narrative had a familiar ring. Exactly half a century ago, another traumatic event took place: the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The big break in that case came several hours later, when a police officer, J.D. Tippit, was shot and killed. Soon, one of the many employees in a tall building on Kennedy’s parade route, Lee Harvey Oswald, was connected to both events. Like Tamerlan Tsarnaev, he had recently spent time in Russia. Like Tamerlan Tsarnaev, he had been under scrutiny by the FBI before the crime.

In both cases, it was the killing of a police officer that turbocharged the police pursuit—and that, once the suspect was apprehended, convinced the public quickly that the police had their man.

Until the shooting of officer Collier, the Tsarnaevs were just two guys seen on a video wearing backpacks. And until the Tippit shooting, Oswald was just one of many employees in a building that most eyewitnesses felt was not even the source of the shots that killed Kennedy.

In both cases, the shooting of the police officer did not make a lot of sense in the context of the “main event” – but nevertheless gave the pursuit a jolt of adrenaline. Only later would crucial details of the narrative be changed—at a time when few would notice.

A Myth

In the case of Oswald, serious doubts would emerge as to whether he had killed Officer Tippit.

In the case of Officer Collier, if we look carefully, we can see that the script was rewritten after most people stopped paying attention.

Early reports left the impression that Collier had some kind of active interaction with his killers.

Here’s the Associated Press from that night:

Cambridge police and the Middlesex District Attorney’s office says the officer was responding to a report of a disturbance when he was shot multiple times.

Here’s the MIT News—the publication of the university’s administration—several days later:

On the evening of Thursday, April 18, MIT Police Officer Sean Collier was shot and killed in the line of duty following an altercation at the corner of Vassar Street and Main Street on the MIT campus.

And here’s the Los Angeles Times on April 23, five days after Collier’s death:

WASHINGTON–Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev allegedly shot and killed a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Thursday because they wanted his service revolver, according to two federal government law enforcement officials who have been briefed on the Boston Marathon manhunt.

They came upon Collier outside a gas station and convenience store near the MIT campus in Cambridge. He was apparently shot multiple times, but had left a safety device on his holster that the suspects could not unlock to retrieve the weapon.

It was unclear which brother shot the officer, the officials said. However, authorities have obtained a surveillance photo of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, dressed in a gray hoodie, at the store.

This is a false story, circulated days after the events. Collier was not outside a gas station and convenience store. Dzhokhar certainly appears to have gone into a gas station/convenience store later that evening, but Collier was not there and no murder took place at that time. Collier did not respond to a disturbance. He did not approach anyone. In fact, it’s likely he never even knew who shot him.

To this day, hardly anyone in the general public is aware of this glitch in the narrative. Yet it is very important. Because if the initial story had been, “unknown persons came up behind a police officer sitting quietly in his patrol car and shot him for no apparent reason, not even taking his firearm” – that would no doubt have triggered a very different media response.

Keeping up the Hero Story

It was for some reason very important to someone that the death of this police officer be projected on a massive screen. Consider the content and tone of this, from the Boston Herald:

Thousands of students and law enforcement officers from across the country have packed the Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus to honor fallen MIT Police Officer Sean Collier who was remembered as a joy-filled, caring and compassionate man who believed kindness could change society.

MIT set aside 15,000 seats at Briggs Field and every one was filled, with law enforcement officers making up two-thirds of the heartbroken audience.

Here’s the Atlantic Wire:

MIT held a public memorial service Wednesday afternoon for fallen officer Sean Collier on their Briggs Field, where the 26-year-old university police officer was remembered for his commitment to the school community, his love of country music, and his dedication to his job. Vice President Joe Biden closed the ceremony’s remarks, offering words of condolence to the family from the perspective of someone who had also lost a child—before offering a scathing indictment of the Tsarnaev brothers’ terrorism.

MIT cancelled classes for the service, which brought together members of the MIT community, law enforcement officers, and public officials. A private funeral was held Tuesday. Yesterday, CBS News reported that Collier may have been killed because the Tsarnaev brothers wanted his gun.

Yet, even after it was clear that Collier had done nothing more than sit in his car while someone came up behind him and shot him, the authorities were still feeling it necessary to lay it on thick. On April 25, a week after Collier’s death, the New York Times was reporting

“I [still] consider him a hero,” Boston’s police commissioner, Edward Davis, said in an interview this week. “It was his death that ultimately led to the apprehension. The report of the shot officer led to all those resources being poured in.”

A cop had been shot, “all those resources” were poured into that general vicinity, and a juggernaut had been launched. There was nothing that would reverse it. Indeed, a month after Collier’s death, a Cambridge, MA, brewery announced it was issuing a special “Collier Stout” in his honor.

Why were we more upset over Collier’s death than other deaths of law enforcement personnel? Because it was linked, in the public’s mind, with the assault upon America itself at the Marathon. The killing of Collier, we were told, was an act against us all. “Boston Strong.” “America Strong.” In a sense, when we wore those ribbons, attended those mass ceremonies, we were mourning, yet again, our loss of innocence in the face of a world that seems to be spinning out of control.

Why Was Collier Killed?

Here’s what we were told at the time of that memorial service:

Until now, it is not been clear why the officer – who was laid to rest today at a private funeral service in his hometown of Stoneham, Massachusetts – was shot dead.

The officer was slain execution-style as he sat in his patrol car at the MIT campus in the suburb of Cambridge.

But now, according to CBS News, police believe the officer was ambushed by the Tsarnaev brothers in a botched attempt to take his gun to boost their arsenal of just one real gun and a pellet gun.

We have been told that, perhaps, the brothers wanted his gun.

Yet, they did not take it. The police chief explained that maybe they could not get it out of his holster, because it was found still in the holster. But it is also possible that whoever shot him was not interested in taking his gun.

It is also important to understand that the CBS News coverage—including the dubious claim that Collier was killed in an attempt to get his gun, and the belated story that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev scrawled a confession on the interior walls of a boat while he lay bloody and grievously wounded – is helmed by John Miller, CBS Senior Correspondent, who between journalistic stints served as the top spokesman for the FBI. In other words, it is an FBI insider who is guiding the narrative. Of course, the FBI itself has serious credibility problems, including the fact that it failed to disclose that it knew exactly who the Tsarnaevs were, long before the bombing. (On May 22, an FBI agent shot and killed Ibragim Todashev, another person of Chechen origin connected to the story and the investigation—whom a friend claims had recently warned him that he felt he was in the process of being framed; and who reportedly had, at the time of his death, just confessed.)

As we previously noted, all of these shootings warrant a closer look—including why so many shots were fired at Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as he lay wounded in that boat, firing not a single shot, and given the potential importance of him as a witness.

All of this must be addressed. But for the purposes of this article, let’s stay focused on Officer Collier’s death—and the circumstances surrounding it.

Why Would the Brothers Have Been on the MIT Campus?

Nobody seems to know. Would they have been there because they knew they would find an officer sitting in his car between buildings? If not, it means the brothers randomly passed through this unlikely area and happened upon Collier in his unlikely spot, snuck up behind him, killed him, and then—took nothing.

Why Collier Was Where He Was

Why was Collier even sitting in his police car at that time? According to news accounts, Collier was parked near the intersection of two streets in Cambridge for the purpose of preventing illegal shortcuts through campus. Here’s the Boston Globe’s account:

About 9:30 p.m., Collier was on routine patrol. He was parked by the corner of Vassar and Main streets. It was a spot where motorists would sometimes take a chance, making an illegal shortcut through campus to avoid a red light.

“We ask patrols to sit there,” DiFava explained. It prevents the forbidden cut-throughs and it provides a high-profile presence for the MIT community.

Something crucial is missing from this account. Collier was not parked on the street. He was parked on the pavement, a distance from the corner, between two campus buildings. When I asked students about the scenario Chief DiFava presented, they were baffled. They didn’t recall patrols sitting between those buildings, and it was not apparent how or why anyone would save a minute at a red light by climbing the pavement and driving between buildings.

With crazed terrorist bombers on the loose, why was this officer sitting where he was? I hoped to clear this up with Chief DiFava. Especially since DiFava is not just MIT’s police chief, but also the chief of MIT “facilities operations.” Thus, he had oversight of facilities including the many sensitive research facilities scattered around the campus, some close to where Collier died.

At the campus police station, I was first told that he was…in Guatemala. Why Guatemala? Why go so far away to a foreign country at the very time that everyone most wanted to talk to him? In any case, I was soon informed that he had been in Guatemala, but just returned. But he had left again. Now he was in Washington. Why Washington? Something to do with the case? But again I was told he was back, but out on business off campus.

Then I was told that maybe he was not off campus, but that in any case, he preferred not to talk. I wondered why that would be, when he had already shown a willingness to talk. Then I was told that I needed to go through the MIT central authorities. Was it the chief who did not want to talk, or was he told not to?

I tried to talk to the Emergency Medical Technicians, students who volunteer to handle campus emergencies, and whose colleagues showed up with their ambulance at the scene of the shooting—they declined and I left. And then I got this email from MIT’s Executive Vice President for Communications:

Mr. Baker,

I have heard from a number of people at MIT that you have been on campus today wanting to ask people questions about the week of the marathon.

Your approach—visiting very busy people in person unannounced to ask them about this painful subject—is not productive, and in some cases, it has proved upsetting. I need to ask that you please follow the guidance that my colleague….. gave you over the phone today. You should email her whatever questions you have, and we can go from there.

Can you agree to this, please?

The Video

Significantly, we’ve been assured that the Tsarnaevs were Collier’s killers.

Here’s a report from the afternoon of Friday, April 19, from the Associated Press—probably the major source of information for the nation’s media, essentially stating that the Tsarnaevs committed the shooting:

WATERTOWN, Mass. (AP) — Two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing — identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya — killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left one of them dead and another still at large Friday, authorities said.

Nine days later, on April 28, we see this from the Boston Globe’s mega-narrative of the sprawling affair:

Authorities say video from a surveillance camera shows the suspects approaching Collier’s car from the rear as he sat in his cruiser. Collier was shot five times, including twice in the head, officials said.

“The suspects.” In a long article about the Tsarnaevs, it is reasonable to conclude that the Globe means the Tsarnaevs.

It is all much more unclear. On April 25, several days before the Globe published the bit above, the New York Times offered a crucial but underplayed distinction:

While there is video of two men approaching Officer Collier’s car, three law enforcement officials said, it does not clearly show their faces. But investigators now believe the brothers killed the officer to get another gun.

The Times reports that the video does not establish with certainty the identity of Collier’s murderers. Yet the next sentence accepts as a certainty that it was the brothers.

Murkier and Murkier

In a story full of weird twists, here’s another: one of the first responders to the scene at MIT was himself later shot in Watertown. In the early accounts, we were told:

One of the first responders to the scene of the officer’s death was police officer Richard Donohue, who had gone through the police academy at the same time as Officer Collier.

A few hours later, he would be critically wounded in the Watertown shootout with the Tsarnaev brothers.

What are the odds? Of all the law enforcement people who could get shot in Watertown, only Donohue was. Unlike Collier, Donohue was a Boston transit policeman—but the two were good friends.

And then, more….We learned later that Donohue was hit not by the Tsarnaevs, but by “friendly fire.” That is, an early witness on the scene of the mysterious shooting of Officer Collier shortly thereafter became himself the victim of a strange shooting— by fellow law enforcement officers.

Donohue survived and, according to the Boston Globe on May 19, is saying nothing about that night because he … can’t:

Officer Richard “Dic” Donohue of the MBTA Transit Police remembers almost
nothing of the night he was shot during chaotic gunfire on a normally quiet
Watertown street, or of the murder of his close friend, MIT police Officer
Sean Collier, hours before in Cambridge.

An editor at The Globe told me they’d received tremendous grief from police for reporting the fact that Donohue had apparently been shot by fellow officers. This despite the fact that the paper hardly focused on that, initially reporting it in an article where it was almost mentioned in passing. Nonetheless—or perhaps because of the sensitivity, we’ve seen surprisingly little coverage of this angle by the local and national media.

***

I did end up submitting questions to MIT; I received  a short note back that said, in part,

John DiFava is not available to speak with you. But I can give you answers to some of your questions.

John is Director of Facilities Operations and Security and also the Chief of the MIT Police Department.

That was the only answer.  The letter continued:

And regarding your question about the night Officer Collier was killed: I would refer you to the Middlesex DA’s office. As with all homicide investigations in Cambridge, that office is heading up the investigation. Like you, we at MIT seek answers to what happened on that night. Those answers will come once the DA’s office has filed charges.

The Middlesex County DA’s office told me they couldn’t talk because….it’s an “ongoing investigation.”

The truth is, in these kinds of situations, the investigators, AKA the prosecution, has an agenda—to get a conviction—and holds just about all the cards.

We don’t know whether the Tsarnaev brothers did kill Collier, although it would be easy to assume they did. Still, we have trouble coming up with an easy motive or a logical reason for them to have been at that place at that time. We wonder about the lack of candor in this matter. As to whether there is another explanation, the reality is that there may always be others who benefit from chaos and fear.

In any case, if the deaths of people like Sean Collier—or the bombing victims–are truly not to be in vain, it will be because open-minded people work to get to the bottom of things, not because those with an agenda exploit their deaths—or  countenance a possible cover-up of the facts of the case. A clear investigative role exists outside of law enforcement. We’ll do what we can, and we welcome informed tips and insights.

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7,126 responses to “Boston MIT Cop Cover-Up”

  1. Guest MacFarlane says:

    I remember reading that the reason there were both uniformed military and black-clad security officers with full backpacks was because of a tradition that a pro-military/veterans group have started: running races and marathons together and going the “extra mile” (pun intended) by doing it while wearing their backpacks filled with all the gear they’d carry standard while on patrol/assignment. According to them, the Boston Marathon was not the first time they’ve done such a thing, so that claim should be testable, by looking at any marathon footage prior to the Boston Bombing: do you see camoed or all-black guys wearing full backpacks?

  2. Elderly R. Staff says:

    Mostly we want a more clear-sighted, and hardhitting reporting. While you take meekly an insult from some of these folks you let all, including Uni staffers, down. If Uni folk are being unreasonable you can only help them by arranging for their lacks to be MOST SEVERELY punished by long terms of imprisonment cf. proposed DT’s sentence.

  3. Victoria poupko says:

    There are many other evidences that Brothers have no smallest connection with Sean Collier’s murder

  4. Rhé says:

    When you talked to the residents of watertown did you get the impression that there was 2 different shootouts going on in the same time? I kinda had that impression and a resident told me she and some of her neighbours were having the same type of interrogation. I wonder if there was some sort of fake senario being played that night or maybe something else happened or a coincidence that the police just didn’t search for. Maybe the police did something really wrong and are now trying to hide it. All this story brings so many questions and I don’t believe we’ll ever have the answers.. Like in Kennedy’s story I guess.

  5. mic says:

    Some images I find bizarre, and unaddressed are of a woman in a yellow blazer going around assisting victims at bombing and then she is photographed in same yellow blazer as a victim on a stretcher with a charred foot. How could she have been running around helping victims and then be shown on a stretcher with such a serious injury?

  6. Jazzee says:

    I always wondered about why they killed this officer…..it never made any sense course a lot of what ‘they’ say never makes sense

  7. exceptnumber1 says:

    Amazing work!

  8. gubronious says:

    Where is a source that says Officer Richard Donahue was one of the first responders to the shooting of Sean Collier? There is nothing in the linked article you provide that makes that claim, and I am unable to locate a news source online that corroborates it.

  9. Whoopsiedoo says:

    “… mysterious black-clad security men with well-stuffed backpacks”

    Well-stuffed ‘black’ backpacks

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  11. BostonKevin617 says:

    Great Article.

    You should also note that the robbery at 7/11 in Central Sq Cambridge initiated the media’s targeting of the brothers, saying that they were involved in it. When it was committed by a guy in a cowboy hat who looks directly into the camera. This robbery happens almost simultaneously to the incident at MIT where the officer was shot and killed.

    **Now it has come out on record after inquiry by MA Rep Keating and IA Sen Grassley, that the FBI was conducting a “surveillance operation” in and around Central Sq – before, during and after the 7/11 robbery. Surveillance on who?…They won’t say.

    Why was Sean Collier shot at MIT? Why MIT? Was there a disturbance or not? Photos clearly show the scene with Officer Collier was directly outside the Stata Center. His patrol car was parked next to the entrance of the building and there was blood on the cement directly next to the car.

    CSAIL is the closest department to the scene about 100 or so feet. CSAIL is the computer science department of MIT. They have research projects on every emerging technology. BigData is housed there; this is a project in conjunction with the State of Massachusetts and Boston area hospitals. The project keeps records of Boston area patients. This includes MGH, Mass General Hospital, where the mix up occurred surrounding the only dead victim from the first bombing site. At MIT CSAIL’s BigData program housed a multitude of information regarding the bombing victims and their hospital records.

    **The Defense and Prosecution were arguing over the sealing/unsealing of hospital records a few weeks ago in court (I was at the hearing) …also arguments that day also indicated that the defense hasn’t seen key evidence due to a “missing codec”, so what video haven’t they seen and why is this codec so hard to obtain?

    MIT also developed, in conjunction with Homeland Security, a first response cloud software system called N.i.C.S. The Next-Generation Incident Command System. They used this system at the 2012 Marathon, then again in 2013. These facts are in FEMA and MEMA reports. This data may also have been housed in the BigData cloud servers in a Computer science department steps away from Officer Collier’s execution site.

    The software was developed at MIT’s Lincoln Lab in Lincoln, MA. This lab is miles away from Boston, but the system relies on cloud computing, which is heavily researched at CSAIL.

    In February there was a lecture at BigData “on the challenges associated with deploying enterprise-scale analytic engines on top of cloud-based bigdata holdings in a classified environment.” The lecture was by a certain Dr. who is a CIA Information specialist and member of the CFR. So obviously there was classified sensitive data in the BigData program. But what?

    This is the only explanation as to why this certain place, MIT, specifically the Stata Center, home to CSAIL and BigData. Was there or was there not a disturbance?if so, Where was it?

    As for the bombing itself…The Report drafted by Boston’s Head EMT and now Obama staffer in 2008 titled: “A Tale of Two Cities”(Look it up) “Planned Mass Casualty Events”. N.I.C.S. was used at the 2012 Marathon and again in 2013…one city (2012)…two city(2013). There was a bomb drill at the finish line in 2012, no explosion but fake devices…another drill in 2013 Two Explosions…and other “devices” found according to the police scanners. All this happening and N.i.C.S. collecting data on both years. “Two Cities”….creepy.

    **all the assertions I make are based on facts, data, reports, and evidence presented to us.

  12. blueskybigstar says:

    Well, you obviously did not see the photos of the other people planting bombs and the photo of the guy who lost his legs in Iraq before the bombing ever happened. Just like in the false flag terror attacks in London on 7-11, these people were hired to do a training exercise and then framed with the crime. Whoever you interviewed either does not know what they are talking about or are part of the whole coverup themselves. It is more likely that this cop was a good cop who did not want to go along with the coverup, just like the cop who died in the Troy Davis trial. These innocent children were chosen because their mother is a major conspiracy theorist who pointed out crimes in the U.S. Government.

  13. SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

    Pat, in case you missed this downstream:

    if you can get to 6 days ago, you’ll see part of an image that was
    supposed to be very damning. This is part of what caused the bother, it
    appears. That the image itself is of questionable integrity (as well
    as of unknown origin) may not be the point – the point may be that it
    shows something/someone unintended. Keep in touch – these current difficulties will be overcome.

  14. patfromuk says:

    A good post I read on internet. Has anyone ever heared about Medet Unlu, a chechen activist who was killed days after saying he believed the brothers were innocent or New Hampshire state legislator Shella Tremblay who was “bullied” out of office after saying the BMB was an inside job?

    Worth the read:

    http://exposingtruth1.tumblr.c

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Nice one patfromuk. Glad you’re still here. There’s been some bother, as you can see. But scroll down to about 1week-2weeks back, and you’ll see what we were at before the recent ‘interventions’.

      I think I did hear about the NH legislator, but not about Medet Unlu.

      Thanks.

    • patfromuk says:

      Thanks Saunders. Can’t scroll down two weeks, my computer will crash by day 5…

    • $77203101 says:

      http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/official-story-has-odd-wrinkles-a-pack-of-questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/
      you will find your friends here – they moved from this site – so as not to be bothered anymore.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      I know what you mean….my computer’s not great either. Still, I find that if I go slow enough it holds out. It could be worth your while, as it concerns a person of possible interest. We didn’t expect such a deluge of ‘interventions’ in the wake of it, I can tell ya.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Next time mayber you’all listen to me?

    • patfromuk says:

      I really can’t. so I’ll wait for the end product on the forum.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Pat, if you can get to 6 days ago, you’ll see part of an image that was supposed to be very damning. This is part of what caused the bother, it appears. That the image itself is of questionable integrity (as well as of unknown origin) may not be the point – the point may be that it shows something/someone unintended. Keep in touch – these current difficulties will be overcome.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You can go down to that comment/image click on it, then take the URL at the top and put it in a link for Pat. That will take her right to it.

  15. SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

    Thanks H.
    In case you missed this downstream:

    The appearance of ‘pointless infighting’ serves a purpose, and is intended to do so.

    If you scroll down to about 2 weeks downstream, prior to the
    interventions of emerald98 and Ralien Seven, you will see what lies
    beneath the deluge, and be able to form your own conclusions.

    Some of these new contributors have seen fit to refer to others here as ‘shill’ and ‘liar’, ‘psychotic’, and have suggested that racist comments have been made.

    Truth Serum’s claim to have read ‘close to 65%’ of the posts here has a familiar ring to it, and whilst I don’t dispute their claim to have been on many blogs, the persona ‘Truth Serum’ is an entity with a very small number of posts, both of them to this site.

    ‘Truth Serum’ does, however, make a good point.

    I quote ‘Truth Serum’ 3 posts down:
    ‘I have to ask these new commentators what their purpose is here and what
    you hope to accomplish?? Many of us frequent this site to keep up to
    date on THIS particular investigation and feel that you have totally
    sabotaged it without bringing anything valuable to the table. Go find
    another playpen full of toddlers to steal toys from!’

    • abbeysbooks says:

      “The appearance of ‘pointless infighting’ serves a purpose, and is intended to do so.” quote of Saunders.

      DeLillo goes into this in his Cosmopolis. The oppositional fighting serves to strengthen the official narrative. “See how broadminded and liberal your govt is. We encourage opposite views and welcome them, not just tolerate them.”

      And in so doing these oppositional views are digested, as Marcuse suggests in his Pac-Man metaphor, using them and turning them into energy for their own purposes. And as Michael Moore says in capitalist distributors distributing his films which oppose their MO, BECAUSE they make money. The above example is about the power/knowledge relation. Both are made stronger on this topic.

  16. Hoegarten says:

    Why is this pointless infighting at the top of the comments? Anyway, public servant, can you write up your remarks about the court documents on the allthingsforum1 blog. Maybe you can use bullets because it’s very hard to understand what your saying with these long paragraphs. I am interested in what is supposed to be signed, etc, and why Holder cannot assign a SAM before a year and such

    • $77203101 says:

      your friends on another site here WWW – they have tried to distance themselves from the garbage….

    • public_servant_watch says:

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWy4WOICIAA36gV.jpg:large

      HIT LINK DIRECTLY TO MAKE BIG

      This is the activity docket with the latest filings and orders and more of the same.

      The docket clerk and deputy clerk are assisting the Defense Counsel and AUSA, who have made a false appearance in the case by never filing a NOTICE OF APPEARANCE run simulated criminal proceedings. The Notice of Appearance puts any attorney under the authority of the court and is required by the rules of the court.

      Only one AUSA has filed notice back on 5/8/2013 and interestingly she filed the latest motion by the USA where she really had been keeping a low profile previously and others with no right to file without an appearance notice had been making the motions.

      Note the top of the activity docket still has the caseref to Magistrate Bowler even though the reference was supposedly withdrawn by the US District Judge. They did that order with an electronic order directly on the case docket and did not enter the order into the the recent orders where ALL orders of the day by all sitting judges go and become true records of the court. By keeping the reference they are able to block anything filed from the the US District Judge and write orders by just typing his name.

      The initial complaint was not even filed by any US Attorney but by the FBI; proper procedure would be an attached sworn statement to a complaint signed and filed by the AUSA that reviewed the FBI allegation. The attorney whose name appears on the complaint is considered to have appeared.

      This is a total sham and when you do a federal custody search with register number and name the result is NO INMATE FOUND, People make bogus excuses for this and they are all incorrect. In the 80’s I worked in the prison system; I know how it works!!

      If you find me down thread just hit the links directly and you can see what other pictures of bogus court filings I posted which includes now well over 13 fraudulent orders.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Did Hoegarten want to know this much about turtles!

    • Hoegarten says:

      I don’t get your joke.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      It’s sort of a children’s story. A little boy asked his father a question about turtles. Over an hour later he said, “Dad, I didn’t want to know that much about turtles.”

  17. Truth Serum says:

    I have to ask these new commentators what their purpose is here and what you hope to accomplish?? Many of us frequent this site to keep up to date on THIS particular investigation and feel that you have totally sabotaged it without bringing anything valuable to the table. Go find another playpen full of toddlers to steal toys from!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      It’s not just the new commentators; although, one of the newer is purposefully destructive v. a psychotic break with the copy and paste of past comments to obscure.

      Valid comments are also responded to by a core group that has been here using it as their personal scratch board for a blog they have on another site with clear language indicating no others welcome. Any commentator that offers a thought, a theory or evidence supported comment that they have not discovered in their research gets a good slandering of his or her integrity such as their responses between themselves regarding Woodybox who does infact do excellent research and corrects anything he may have mis-interpreted on his blog. They completely trashed his integrity because they did not agree with what he found in his research.

      A guest here who is an advanced nurse practitioner gets snarky unamusing put downs anytime she tries to comment and as for myself anything I try to post is followed by an attempt to invalidate even with material evidence posted to support the comment. It, also, appears there was some communication with known trolls on Twitter to assist in the effort.

      It may very well be the core group that is doing the obscuring; some have changed their handles to mask that the nasty comments are coming from them. They also moved to another article on this site to continue their clearly closed sessions.

      I thought the goal was truth!! Apparently NOT!!

    • Indi says:

      Please, give us a little break. Just let it go. You can and should post Your stuff here and wherever You feel like it – people will always decide for themselves what narrative they are willing to follow… but please, I warmly ask You, please stop pushing other people down…

    • $77203101 says:

      Spoken like the true bully that you are – eh puke?
      Buzz around Buzz around like a fly and then drop your puke on everything and everyone – and then when someone who doesnt put up with your little nonsense and kicks back you run and hide – only to come back and tell the world what a poor little puke you are – and how awful the mean people are to you. sniff sniff….
      So, sinse you wont confront the questions I have asked – and neither will you dispel my assertion that you are hired to puke on honest blogs and web sites. Yes, I have followed you for a while now – and YOU are not liked by anybody. Cant be that sparkling personality now can it?
      So – I know how you convice the world of your fantastic puke. Produce a fake victim – put them on Youtube and show the world – get one to go on Youtube fake leg and all – and say POS was right along…..Or better yet – call a press conference out front of Colliers parents home – or the Richards home and call them out – come on – where’s your guts? Writing little diatribes to Congressman is only going to get you put on the watch list. You wanna make the big time! dont you – come on. were all pulling for you…go for it.
      and after they haul your sorry a$$ away – honest, interested individuals can carry on without your meaningless distractions…..

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I write with those you are talking about. I myself am not convinced the Boston Bombing was real since I read a few nights at Dave’s site. His arguments are well thought out, well imaged, and intelligent. AND he is a good writer. Woody is none of those things even tho he may be saying the same thing. He’s a drive by. Whatever is hot he takes a shot at and he takes his stuff from other people without acknowledging or linking. I have been to his site and if you compare it with Dave’s you will see what I mean by quality. The other people I work with do not have an agenda and are looking in all the corners for PROOF which IMO does not exist. There is only information to be gotten but no knowing. See Virilio on that: The Information Bomb. We are all drowning in information without any knowing.

    • $77203101 says:

      you two belong in the same lunatic asylum

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Gee I thought I saw you there too. Your avi face is so familiar and I don’t mean my mirror.

    • $77203101 says:

      Oh bugger off you old fool. Your loneliness is a disease that you have become and you spread it where ever you go. Yes, you too, leave a trail of destruction too behind.

    • $77203101 says:

      I’ll ask you the same thing I asked dipsh&t over here – if all of this is so unreal – if its all so phony – with actors and what not

      then…..

      then….why waste your time on any of it?

      and why not leave the honest but misguided boneheads to figure it out for themselves?

      I happen to think they are on to something – but you geniuses have it all figured out. Go write a book – grab that 15 minutes of fame and stand in front of the Colliers or Richards home and tell them what you think?

      Until you can produce a shred truth – there are good people working hard – and I will be watching over them.

      So –

      why not leave them alone?
      why not leave them alone?
      why not leave them alone?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Fug yeah! Leave them alone to do it again and shoot up two more people and murder a cop to pin it on them to make it look REAL! Wow a new fanfic for ya!

    • $77203101 says:

      That went right over your shameless head.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You are correct. I misread you.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      What these people are doing here and over at forum is extremely helpful. Their analysis could be used in a court of law IF they were in that position, which they aren’t. A careful analysis is a good exercise for your own thinking and your own personal development, but it is never going to change anything except for those who read and think the same and who will discuss it at their clubs and academic seminars. IT WILL NEVER MOVE THE ASSES OF THE MASSES who are the ones who can change things. Now what is required to move the masses? Emotional engagement. Something to shake them out of their narcissism and their indifference.To be sure Dzokhar Tsarnaev now has an experience to propel him into a political consciousness raising that he would probably never have come to in his life. See what it did for Sacco and Vanzetti who suffered the same as the Tsarnaev brothers.http://guerrillablog2.blogspot.com/2013/10/reading-tsarnaev-brothers-through-sacco.html

    • $77203101 says:

      so what – so f’n what

      you know nothing old nag

      leave them alone

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I promise if you will go away. Deal?

    • $77203101 says:

      leave them alone –

    • public_servant_watch says:

      There is no credit that needs to go to anyone. This is a fight for the people of America and the people that are truly in it do not care what you take from them as long as the word gets out to WAKE PEOPLE UP!! This is the only place I have ever read such nonsense. My children and theirs living in a free world is what matters and that they never have to fear their liberty stolen while others commit criminal acts with impunity. It’s not a contest! The terror put on this population by our own government can be proven and so can all the fakery and racketeering that followed!!

    • $77203101 says:

      Spoken like the true bully that you are – eh puke?
      Buzz around Buzz around like a fly and then drop your puke on everything and everyone – and then when someone who doesnt put up with your little nonsense and kicks back you run and hide – only to come back and tell the world what a poor little puke you are – and how awful the mean people are to you. sniff sniff….
      So, sinse you wont confront the questions I have asked – and neither will you dispel my assertion that you are hired to puke on honest blogs and web sites. Yes, I have followed you for a while now – and YOU are not liked by anybody. Cant be that sparkling personality now can it?
      So – I know how you convice the world of your fantastic puke. Produce a fake victim – put them on Youtube and show the world – get one to go on Youtube fake leg and all – and say POS was right along…..Or better yet – call a press conference out front of Colliers parents home – or the Richards home and call them out – come on – where’s your guts? Writing little diatribes to Congressman is only going to get you put on the watch list. You wanna make the big time! dont you – come on. were all pulling for you…go for it.
      and after they haul your sorry a$$ away – honest, interested individuals can carry on without your meaningless distractions…..

    • abbeysbooks says:

      O U tink yo chirren are free eh. Send them to school but read Discipline and Punish by Foucault before you do.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Honey their liberty and yours are stolen every day in homeopathic doses so small you never notice. Read Baudrillard: The Perfect Crime: no victim, no criminal,no crime scene, no punishment,no justice. Invisible

    • abbeysbooks says:

      As long as you use buzz words and inflammatory language you accomplish nothing of what you hope to accomplish. You just sound like a tea party fanatic. You understand the intent of what is being done but have no means of fighting it because you won’t do the work involved. All you can do is rant on a comment board.

    • Truth Serum says:

      The psychotic shill will eventually go away, just an attention seeker, as our Momma’s used to tell us, ignore it and it will go away. There are many different ways to approach an investigation and it is our prerogative to choose the style that we prefer to follow. I have been on many blog’s including the one you mentioned above and it appears shoddy to me, only my opinion here, because that’s all we really have at the moment, concrete answers are not being handed out and probably never will be. I don’t think the “core” group has an agenda outside of trying to find the closest to the truth they feel they can get. I have read close to 65% of the 7000+ posts here and get the impression the “core” are totally open to plausible feedback and appreciate it. They don’t want to dwell on a point that has already been put to bed by their investigation, some 4000 comments ago-It’s up to us if we want to know their opinion to search through all of the posts. I wouldn’t take that as a negative thing, they are simply trucking on. This happens to be their investigation, on this particular site and they can handle it how they see fit and we can respect that or go elsewhere. The back and forth bickering, is nothing short of amusing, but really isn’t productive and I can see how it can be frustrating to those that have put hours into their investigation. I am strictly an observer however what I saw happening here infuriated me -I do come here often to get grounded in my thoughts about this whole mess that was dubbed a terror attack. My choice to come here or leave here, just like everyone else.

    • Indi says:

      Yeah TS, that is pretty much what happened… I feel the same way.

  18. oldgoat says:

    Congrats that your inspirational work is now acclaimed with such passion and conviction !

    I have every faith that you will not succumb to the distractions of celebrity so insistently offered by your adoring public. They must be truly and profoundly moved…

    I hadn’t deserted (long story) – though it’s coming to something when I’m referred to as ‘a sane member of society’.

    I’m still locked out of all the images. The door is barred to Mr.Chacha….What operating system are you on ? I know of a couple of good sites where you can get older versions of software. (I use it all the time).

    • $77203101 says:

      Why don’t you talk with the guy that wrote this story on this website, the guy that interviewed people on Laurel street made it clear who was there, they watched them. There was no crouching third person – and that photo you may be referring to doesn’t make out a person. Watch the video, as Tamerlan jumps out of SUV and helps Jahar light the bomb, that was what was going on in that little space. I think it’s speculative to believe there was no dusting of prints or anything else, because those photos of that boat were not actual ongoing footage to capture entire investigation of that boat. I have already said my say on the confession. He was on that boat we believe for 18 hours, I don’t think it’s unheard of to write a note, especially if you think things won’t turn out well – like his brother. A last message to the world. Beside, there might be more to that note that is not being said. It’s very plausible that he wrote it – to keep stating this confession over and over in legal court docs makes little since if it does not exist – and forensics and handwriting analysis can determine he was the writer. There are a lot of stories out there and people writing these blogs as though their info comes from valid and factual info, and it’s to put a story or a theory together, and show proof of his innocence with this type of deduction of reasoning. Just like one supporter said ” he is too nice to be a terrorist?” You cannot approach a case this way or go into with a firm believe that is he is either guilty or innocent if you are truly to make a case. Not pieces fit perfectly, but unless you are privy to the files and evidence they won’t. Emotions are big motivator to support him, and you would be surprised to how much they plays on the way people see this case. Crime has no age, looks or personality. All people of all races and ages, can and do commit horrific crimes.

  19. Baby Blake says:

    Can everyone please check their emails for a message that was sent out to the group. Thanks.

    • Indi says:

      Good people, just keep up Your amazing work… they will eventually get tired and go buzz somewhere else about false injuries and fake blood… jeez, I can’t believe I stepped over this sticking chewing gum. I am really sorry. I swear I had no idea it would stick this hard. :/

    • Baby Blake says:

      Thanks Indi! Is there anyway you can give me your email address? Have something that may be of interest to you and need to inform you of.
      Thanks again.

    • Indi says:

      Yep BB, just sent You my email.

    • Indi says:

      BB, hmm… I am all confused now. Just a question: it that Your tumblr?

      http://somethingreallyirrelevant.tumblr.com

    • Baby Blake says:

      No Indi. I dont have a tumbler! If you could post it as a comment on one of the posts at the blog I will retrieve it and delete the comment immediately. This was how we obtained other peoples. let me know when you’ve done it and I will get to it straight away.
      Thank you!

    • Indi says:

      Ooops, I was inattentive. I just sent a comment with my email in it as a question in that tumblr, and after reading the “about section” I thought, no, this can’t be BB… ops, gotta be more attentive next time. Ok, I will do it with the comment.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Right. Thanks Indi. I retrieved it and deleted it. please check your inbox.

  20. SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

    Faith can indeed move mountains……and trees with it.

    Question is, at what point does the ear become the jaw ? and why do the womens’ heads have corners ?

    • Missie Baker says:

      yes–I see it now.

    • $73803457 says:

      Looks DM’s jaw if ya ask me….

    • Guest says:

      Hello Coach. You’ve been on fine form of late….

      Missie made reference to the ambulance photo, and that these profiles match it. Is there something I haven’t seen ? I saw the blurry, obscure one but could in no way connect that to these. Any idea ?

    • Baby Blake says:

      I have an ambulance photo, but it’s not much better than the one that was posted here. I’ll dig it out.

    • Guest says:

      Great to see you back, BB. I sent you a couple of emails last night/this morning. Missie said to catch up via you, so I don’t know if they’ve got swallowed up downstream. Anyway, they’re there somewhere.

      When do you want the GIFs ? I’ve worked out how to do it, and Mr.Chacha is of immense assistance. Which ones will we do ?

      No wonder you’ve been the focus of so much attention of late – even those dazzling good looks on your photo really don’t do you justice. No wonder the febrile convulsions……….

    • Baby Blake says:

      Yes I’m back. Read and responded to your emails too. Beaker seems to be whipping everyone up into a frenzy – I may have to change him to something more suitable – he far to life like for some.
      On the gifs I would start with any of them! See how they come out – they all have the potential; to be very good. Looking forward to seeing them at last, even though I couldn’t contribute to their making myself. Darn it.

    • Guest says:

      Annoying yes, but I wouldn’t say that you didn’t contribute…far from it.

    • Missie Baker says:

      And what a jaw.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      The picture is clearly aberrant, clearly from the beginning it was obvious that Jahar’s head was shopped in and it appears the FBI used stills from video surveillance that they had to capture the head. Taking the still shot from a moving video explains the 3 appearing as a 7.

      Because the FBI video, also, has aberrations and other researchers who have done excellent analysis did note shadow trails in the FBI video released to the public, there is theory that stills from yet another video the FBI had on hand were placed into the video that the FBI represents to be from the 2013 Marathon.

      Followers of Jahar claim that the brothers were not even at the Marathon and that the pictures of the brothers presented by the FBI are from an event 2 years previous.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV1aqbZCEAA83i3.png:large

      The picture in front of the forum appears to be, in whole, photoshopped. There are aberrations that do not require any skilled analysis beyond observation such as the position of the far right Lacrosse girl’s feet that point left yet her torso is forward; this would be an uncomfortable position to maintain.

      The elbow position of the Lacrosse girl next to her and her lack of shoulder breadth is peculiar, and then there is the shoe. The shoe attached to the middle Lacrosse girl is art work and not a true picture. They took people from actual pictures, used them as a base and built a crowd with added artwork to represent the people they wanted to be in that crowd.

      You can still see the cape and the black background behind the shoe from the base picture in the fabricated picture that has additional artwork to make the visual changes needed to deceive. It is too coincidental to have these aberrations and the exact base position of the body and the shoe.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUntG1MCIAA-M6l.png:large

      The far left Lacrosse girl appears to have such facial distortion that it appears she was not even intended at first to represent one the young Lacrosse girls. The facial and hair changes made were to make her look older; early after the event multiple media sources led the public to believe that this character in the fabricated picture was Denise Richard. This character has the same exact clothing and leg muscle structure as the Lacrosse girl leaving after the blast in the David Green photo and her image was the base used in the deception.

      The Lacrosse girls that were interviewed and the reports regarding claimed injuries by four other girls clear some of the deception; the last interview is not credible and this girl is included in the Lacrosse injury number count. Actual pictures of the girls show them on the other side of the mailbox and not on the side represented in the fabricated photo.

      The language is hard to see in the graphic so I will find it in my notebook and post it directly at some point. Every girl has been ID’d by name but the girl in the Tufts Sweat Shirt; not one of the girls in the first interview claimed to be injured or at Blast Site 2. The second interview with just one of the girls has a questionable story line because this interview occurred after researchers noted the Tufts Sweatshirt girl running from the blast and believed the girl running to be Denise Richard. The Denise Richard character represented in the fabricated photo is actually the gal with the brown hat standing with the character that represents Henry Richard.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQZExrNCAAEbSpo.jpg:large

      The multiple Marathon crowd pics out there show they chose a few people from actual crowds and built the fabricated crowd. There are people in the crowd that cannot be found in any other available actual pre-blast picture; Lingzi Lu, Bill Richard, Henry Richard, Denise Richard and Martin Richard fall into that category. The base person used for the deception that represented Jane Richard is found in the 7 News crowd. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVDE2vfCcAE7yC4.png:large

      What is most interesting is the fabricated crowd has multiple characters representing real people who claimed injury after the blast but these people were not in the raw video of the blast aftermath nor were they present at blast time with the exception of Bill Richard and Henry Richard who can be seen leaving in the Land video at about 5 minutes post blast time and the Lacrosse girl in the shorts and sweatshirt runs out at the same time the person who looks like Jahar runs out; ambulances were not even on site at this time so where the “injured” Denise Richard is remains a mystery.

      Thanks to Woodybox the time of the raw video at blast site two was determined and re-analysis of the two available raw videos and bogus David Green video with a few changes in time analysis to sounds as I heard them definitely verifies his work. The times add up in the raw video with the last sound noted and the time the video ends.

      The crowd at the time of Blast 2 was multiple FBI Agents identified as such by media photos and videos that show dead ringer look alikes on at least seven individuals in the raw video. These agents were not taking action as on scene response after the blast; they were there to deceive. The video initiates 2:37 min after the blast and without doubt they were present and in position at blast time.

      These federal agents not only “acted” as though they were civilians providing rescue while paddy wagons and fire trucks blocked actual access to the site as noted in the Land Video but they also acted as victims. It is more than apparent that the actions they are taking involve moulage application and their art work shows up in future propaganda pictures.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVsJxsOCYAAMTOm.jpg:large

      Pictures show up best if the link is directly hit otherwise they may appear small.

    • $77203101 says:

      Junk – what a waste – not even good graphics

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Shill on overtime, Gov shutdown hope you’re not getting paid!!!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWpejFhCYAAbJRT.jpg:large The Forum Crowd that the FBI led us to believe was present at the time of the blast was an in whole FABRICATED picture! See the unmarked pictures in the attached comment. To make large click the link directly!!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      This one is far better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mVyEPBtbtc#t=46 Just wonderful. Thank you. Perfect.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You left out the best one. With tht one you don’t need any of the others.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I just did it yesterday. The problem is it is like one of those picture puzzles you learn about in psych 101. For example the one where a person looks and sees the old woman and another person looks and sees a young woman but once the other is pointed out both can see old and young.

      I didn’t know how to help people see it. So I am happy my crappy coloring worked!!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      The youtube you posted for me does it. Once you watch the photoshopping being done before your eyes YOU GET IT! My nerdy young bf sat me down the summer of 2012 after arguing about Kristen Stewart’s “cheating piks” and put a lesson he had done in a shopping class for me to watch. It wasn’t quite the same as doing it myself, but it was the next best thing to watch those lines and erasures being drawn and taken out. So are you going to work on this with me at my occupytabloids blog?

    • $77203101 says:

      it needs a place dump its garbage – you have no meaningful garabge to sell – you need each other.
      perfect fit – you deserve each other – now run along and play together and leave the rest of the serious investigators to do their work in peace. you have no reason to talk to talk to them. Except to be dumb a$$es – you dont read what they write – and you dont care except for the attention…..Dropped on your head one to many times – mother abandoned you – you get along with nobody – perfect match
      my work is done here – on to the next a$$hats

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I might take you seriously if you could write better than a 3rd or 4th grader. Go back to elementary school, learn English and come back when you pass.

    • $77203101 says:

      ooooh stings me not – but attention needed by you is obvious to all – more should you drink….then more you can try….

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You are just bombarding them. Go back to that 4+ minute youtube of the UK woman doing the actual photoshopping. It is simple, elegant and devastating.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJn6kz-nDhA

      As stated in the previous post, the raw video has been determined by comparison to the sounds in the Land video to initiate at 2:37 minutes after the blast. The FBI were present at the time of the bast!

      Without question, the first agent is the same man who throws the towels in the video. Without question, the agent in the second picture who is questioning the brother’s mechanic is in the video. The three agents in the forefront of the third picture are also in the video. The far left appears to be the man wearing a t-shirt and working with the woman, the far right appears to be the man who is in the grey sweat shirt and presenting as though he has an injury, and the agent in the middle appears to be to the right of the balding man (agent in second picture) in the video.

      The fourth picture shows an agent far right who looks just like the shirtless man sitting in the clearly photo shopped picture where civilians appear to be administering CPR to LU while rescue people stand around; he is working very hard in the video and the picture with Lu would be during the same time span which indicates the picture with LU is a highly probable fabrication.

      The sixth picture is a deceptive photo from the FEMA web site that shows the FBI coming on scene at the T with a time-stamp of 3:40 PM; the agent at the mailbox in the video is in the forefront, and the woman agent is wearing the same shirt in the video. The 7th picture is again a look alike for the man working with the woman in the video. The 8th picture is the bloodied victim sitting on the ground look alike agent. The bloodied man in the t-shirt in the back has a look alike on video; I have to get the link from my notebook.

      The graphic shows them in closer proximity for analysis. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVtD1q3CAAAxTg0.jpg:large

    • $77203101 says:

      Junk

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Shill!

    • $77203101 says:

      What does that mean? Is that some kind of racist putdown.
      1)Poorly educated, huh. It’s interesting that you slam and put entire nation down as way to show superiority of intellect and prove a point of sorts; but you have done just the opposite. Your comment is racist, and racism doesn’t have to be about color, etc. I don’t need to tell YOU how great a country we have where so many people around world love to visit, study, and become citizens in this free country. We have some of brightest and most prolific, educated people in the world. But by calling out entire nation as you did is not the way to debate or pose arguments that you believe in and wish others to think about. That is immature, reckless and misinformed on your part – that sentence alone says volumes about you, and possibly the group you represent.

      2)You do not have enough knowledge to understand the Grand Jury in this case. Your comments about determining if the case will go to trial, well Elvis has left the building on that idea, they are going to trial. Why do you think they are in the discovery phase? Why did the prosecution say they will call 80-100 witnesses to testify about evidence and the trial will last 3-4 months. If you are so informed then you would know from the legal docs they are proceeding to trial.

      3)As far as your questioning things, that is everyone’s right to do. Just as I am doing with you at this very moment. People do it all the time in this country, you know the freedom of speech and all. What I am hearing from your comments is that you don’t like the fact that many people have already made up their mind about this case, and not in the direction that you like. Sounds like your little followers are doing just that too, and more power to you. But don’t get angry and hostile because people don’t agree with you. I bet even in your group you all don’t agree on all points either.

      4)The idea that you cannot produce actual documentation is telling. If you told that to Judy Clarke she would say then it holds no merit and cannot be used in a court of law. I don’t know why many people feel the need to hang onto information that may not be factual or relevant, but was on the internet and so it much be right. I will look up and see what the reliability of police scanners are in using it as actual evidence. I too am very interested in this case, and so because you and your friends are all over my comments then I have made a call to the Boston Police department to get the actual document regarding Collier and what the police report says as they responded to “shot fired.” Whether I will get it is another story since Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has not went to trial. Much is sealed to makes sure he gets a untainted defense. Saying you don’t have to present anything to prove your points, well that does little to convince me that your narrative is correct : Dzhokhar or Tamerlan did not kill officer Collier. Then you bring up what “happened to innocent until proven guilty?” Are you suggesting that people cannot form opinions on this case, certainly you have done just that. But slam others for their opinions. From your hostile comments, you believe him to be innocent, that is your right, but don’t put people down for having their own ideas as well. And suggesting that America is not open minded and don’t ask questions is just a ridiculous statement. This happens daily all across this land. We love to expose wrongs and point out injustice. But to suggest that this guy is absolved of any wrong doing on all parts of this case, well I don’t agree with that. This same website this is published on says : “there is not doubt that he and Tamerlan were on Laurel street shooting at police and throwing explosives, one being a pressure cooker bomb.” Keep asking questions, but my only problem with that is that you use factual substantiated evidence – not old media stories from a hectic moment with conflicting reports. As I said many of times, I don’t know myself if Dzhokhar actually pulled the trigger on that gun that killed Collier, but that matters little as he was there, involved and driving…in capital cases, that is the same as if he pulled the trigger. By the way, I think I told one your friends how difficult it is to get a gun out of 3 way holster.

      Five months later and so much more info later, including legal documents is proving just how involved this guy was in this horrific and evil event

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Didn’t bother to read too long!! Caught the first line–buy a Webster–you are a moron!!

    • $77203101 says:

      You are making a common mistake. At medium.com someone wrote about this, about being a bean counter and not getting discouraged by low numbers. You can never know how many people one person can reach and influence, nor how many of those have similar followers. This is the way I destroyed the Kristen Stewart “cheating” scandal with just 2 people helping me and those 2 with access to followers and listeners who hated me and would never listen to me. Now there are none of those fans who believe anything about it that agrees with any other fan about it. It went out into the wind like milkweed seeds. Hopefully, as the Monarch butterflies need milkweed.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Shill copying and pasting lengthy post clearly with intent to block and obscure recent postings. Suggest you review this http://www.gao.gov/legal/lawresources/antideficiencybackground.html because the agency may want to have a word with you!!!

    • $77203101 says:

      So what is the going rate for a$$hats like you? Benefits? perks? free fake vacations with the fake victims? You know it just dawned on me that if all this is fake – the blood, the deaths, the amputations – the bombs, the shootouts, Collier —- If its all fake all a bunch of loony bin BS – then why do you give a rats behind what happened. It isnt real for you. As opposed to the fan girls, and those truly interested in what happened. YOU have figured out and have got all the answers – why do you spend even one moment beating up on honest, interested, and a hell of lot smarter than you – people – who dont believe its fake and care that justice for the victims and Jahar is served.
      See thats what gives the A$$Hats away – if I follow you to the utter sh*t hole of your logic – you shouldnt be here – you shouldnt care – and I dont care how hard you try to make a square peg fit into a round hole – your arguement agaisnt the reality of the bombing negates your being here.
      So there is an another motive – and that is money and I bet you get lots – dont you puke. well sllep well you pos.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You plagiarized me. Just lost all your credibility. QED.

    • $77203101 says:

      you have no credibility – you have no readers – you have no commenters on your own sites. you are full a fraud.

    • $77203101 says:

      So what is the going rate for a$$hats like you? Benefits? perks? free fake vacations with the fake victims? You know it just dawned on me that if all this is fake – the blood, the deaths, the amputations – the bombs, the shootouts, Collier —- If its all fake all a bunch of loony bin BS – then why do you give a rats behind what happened. It isnt real for you. As opposed to the fan girls, and those truly interested in what happened. YOU have figured out and have got all the answers – why do you spend even one moment beating up on honest, interested, and a hell of lot smarter than you – people – who dont believe its fake and care that justice for the victims and Jahar is served.
      See thats what gives the A$$Hats away – if I follow you to the utter sh*t hole of your logic – you shouldnt be here – you shouldnt care – and I dont care how hard you try to make a square peg fit into a round hole – your arguement agaisnt the reality of the bombing negates your being here.
      So there is an another motive – and that is money and I bet you get lots – dont you puke. well sllep well you pos.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I have no idea whether it was fake or not. I have no fixed opinion on it at all. I am just looking at discrepancies.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      That was my post and you are pasting it as yours without acknowledging that I wrote it. That’s plagiarism. You just nullified everything you said. Stupid stupid RalienSeven.

    • $77203101 says:

      sniff sniff –

    • $77203101 says:

      That’s what Ayn Rand used to say. I think it is more complicated than that now.

    • $77203101 says:

      Let me address the “rubber stamp” GJ stats, I find it interesting that you don’t give credence to the legal process as so many are quick to make sure Jahar’s rights are guarded under this same system, but in your stats, how many went to trial, took pleas or ultimately convicted? Just because there is high number of Federal Grand Jury indictments doesn’t mean they should be overlooked as frivolous or without merit. Plenty of cases go through this process and make it to trial. Pertaining to this case, this indictment is heading to trial. So many people that come at this angle, that the legal system cannot be trusted, corrupt, etc.,use this as a line of defense, I disagree with that. We continue to speculate or draw our own conclusions – and see what we want to see or give certain aspects more attention than others, and all people do this. Regardless of the crime, each person deserves the best legal representation as possible – and in this case, there are 4 lawyers and a host of others that will do this for Jahar, if he is innocent or guilty, the evidence will prove this. Let the evidence do the talking. I agree with Indie, that none of us are privy to ALL the information in this case – only the prosecutors and defense – and of course the defendant knows the real facts.

    • $77203101 says:

      Sir, I have read every document concerning this case, and more. Not giving substantive evidence is legal wrangling. Doesn’t mean evidence DOES Not exist or that the info they do have, is not substantive. This is par for the course of Capital cases, especially terrorist cases. Probable cause is all that needs to be proven to indict. But you using GJ as though all cases that are handed down are “rubber stamped” is over reaching and of little value. Of course you would bring this up as a way to mitigate why he was indicted. A substantial amount of evidence has been handed over to the defense, including videos, computer and texts files, as well as cell phones, etc. This is in the legal files of Sep 23 docs. Clarke said they have received substantial amount of info, this is just things that are missing and could help him with the death penalty protocol. This discovery and exchange is normal, reading more into it just being hopeful. I agree with some of the defense requests, that they don’t need summaries but the actual docs that these summaries came from. Yet, I am sure that will be cleared up in due time. Ask questions all you will, but there is whole bunch of supporters that don’t acknowledge even the most basic of information in this case – the same people who say the media and gov lies are the same one that use the media stories to support jahar. Cherry pickers. To think that 16 page legal doc shows some big cover up and this is proof of innocence is naïve. Most of the info Clarke and her team want are things that could have some mitigating factors, that being to use against the DP. But did you notice that rather crucial info, like the video of him setting down the bomb, the dashboard cam from Collier’s car, and even the confession written in the boat are not among the things she is looking for.These things are argued over daily as though they don’t exist. Reading these legal docs doesn’t seem she is focused on proving him so much innocent but rather trying to save his life from DP.When you want family member files and interview tapes and notes means that they are looking for things to use to save his life. I can see how it’s working, by trying to prove that jahar was not as culpable as his brother. They need to prove that Tamerlan was the planner, the dominant brother, and that he had issues. Why do you think they want so much info on him, especially from the Katherine Russell and his family. They need to paint a picture of how his always did what his brother said, and this could be a cultural thing, and again, this cultural background is in this doc. By proving certain things about Tamerlan, they are in essence making an argument for jahar. To understand Tam is to help jahar’s case.

      I don’t get why supporters seem to think that he was not at the Laurel shootout throwing explosive, even a pressure cooker bomb. Even this website has research on that,(they mostly tear apart other media reports instead of doing their research) and said without a doubt these two were there, this website said that, the same website that brings up these questions about what actually happen to Collier. When government has made bold statement over and over and included them in court records, well we should say there is validity that certain things do exist, if they don’t then is one sure way to mess up this conviction. I believe they tried to get Collier’s gun but was not able to, makes since to want another gun for them as they had only one, and it makes sense that they would car jack, by that evening, tips were pouring in and could trace the Honda civic. People shout there is absolutely no evidence on Jahar, but clearly we see there is, and it is brought up in these docs. it doesn’t matter if Jahar didn’t pull the trigger, and we don’t know if he did or not, but it means little, as he went along with these plans, and in capital cases you are equally responsible.

    • $77203101 says:

      oh really – then who is this ? It aint your mother you know….

    • $77203101 says:

      And then of course there is this – Do you see Tamerlan there?

      I didnt think so

    • $77203101 says:

      And this I suppose is fake too?

    • $77203101 says:

      and of course he doesnt have anything to do with this

    • $77203101 says:

      and of course you have all the anwers that is all fake and fake is all and nothing but fake and fake is nothing – rihgt ??????
      welll then who is he carrying? you can see it right there – who is he carrying – come on man with all the answers?

    • $77203101 says:

      and then I will give you one more thing to consider – is this your beloved naked man? He doesnt look so naked now does he?

    • $77203101 says:

      It takes a real sick mind – a real sick archonic soul to even think about plastering all over the internet that fecal material you have been posting when real people with real lives and families with real feelings might be reading the puke you are spewing. Sick, vile – the worst demons of the human soul have arisen in the things you say. Shame shame shame – this little girl has a life that will never be the same and all you can say is that it is fake?
      All you can do is attack her and all the victims of the horrendous tragedy. I can only conclude one of two things – you sick puke and god I hope you read before Russ takes it off –
      you are either being paid – and paid exeedingly well to disengage your shame, your humanity so that you can attack this little girl – or you are the most vile pig from the most vile depths of all creation. God help you……..

    • $77203101 says:

      and if I havent pushed your hate off the page I will keep doing this until Russ shuts you down.

    • $77203101 says:

      did you happen to notice the a third suspect at Dexter & Laurel? No? To busy looking at fake bloody pictures?

    • $77203101 says:

      Here is a better picture of picture of Tamerlan in the street? Did you see him this time?

    • $77203101 says:

      hey did you catch the fake bomb bag?

    • $77203101 says:

      Lets see if you can tell which one let the fake bomb?

    • $77203101 says:

      And this of course is fake fire – and fake fire doesnt burn like real fire does it?

    • $77203101 says:

      Oh and of course there is the fake Collier shooting – Sean Colliers mother and family really need to hear from you puke – so you can inform her she is crying fake tears and the family is indeed mourning a fake plot and he is actually living in the Russia with Tamerlan and Johar along with all the fake victims – all living off those suckers the taxpayers – man you got it all figured all out dont you –

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Coach time for your antipsychotic!!!!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I don’t really know. The image can be interpreted and all interpretations are subject to each subject’s interpretation. The Rashomon Effect is invoked here.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Yes I agree. But IF you saw yourself on TV as wanted for questioning, and IF you were Chechen, IF your older brother had been back home and probably talked to people that were questionable, IF you knew you were being searched for and you knew what the US govt was capable of doing, what would you do?

      My friend said he would lawyer up. That’s what he does over nothing at all. My guerilla law friends would take a different approach. Wait and see, sit tight, and make them do all the right things, say nothing. Both these approaches are educated, thought out approaches, and I don’t think either boy/man thought that way. I think they were themselves TERRORIZED just as Miriam Carey was TERRORIZED when she got out of her car unarmed. I can read everything they did in Watertown as a result of their being TERRORIZED. There is even some evidence that they thought they were being smuggled away then we PODESTRA (correct sp? ) “SET-UP, AMBUSH” when Tamerlan knew they were going to go down and warned his little brother. Isn’t this the template used in all the Native American genocides. Why change the model when it works so well.

      I don’t know what I would do. What if my “handler” told me he was getting me out of the country, back to Chechnya? What would I do? IDK.

    • $77203101 says:

      stupid – you dont read you dont care

    • $77203101 says:

      you dont read. Your comments never reflect any deep thought of the comment. Rather it is always about you and what you think. Stupid.

    • Guest says:

      You are missing the point of the GJ indictment statistics. I posted them in response to comments basically saying that he wouldn’t have been indicted unless there was a high probability he did it. My point was that just about every case that goes to a grand jury results in an indictment. It proves nothing – that is why we have trials.

      I do believe in the system. I practice law in the system, which is how I knew offhand where to find those stats that I posted. I wouldn’t say I am a “supporter” – I haven’t formed an opinion about guilt or innocence, but I know something is fishy with this case, and have studied enough history, and lived in Boston long enough, not to trust our local FBI.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      You just responded to a person who just registered an identity and then copied and pasted lengthy post made by others all over this site.

    • $77203101 says:

      You should be apologizing to the Richard Family and all the victimns of the bombing for the vile you spread.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I wish I could meet them and see them in person. Many put up fund raising piks and got a bundle in addition to the million (s) the govt gave them. Scored! I don’t want to see piks of them because I know about shopping.

    • $77203101 says:

      so is that it – envious of those dollars eh?
      cant stand to be on welfare eh?

    • $77203101 says:

      duh

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I have read my Foucault, my Deleuze, my Virilio and I have no faith or belief in the system. It is a Discourse. If you practice law I bet you are not a Clarence Darrow.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Why has no one answered me on the photos from Dave’s site. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/ I really can’t get any info from those of you here who really know the photos and the people in them. Silence again?

    • Guest says:

      Hello AB. As you can see, we’re not here, and it’s difficult to find you. Some of these newcomers have been copying and pasting your work in their name. Baby Blake posted:

      ‘Can everyone please check their emails for a message that was sent out to the group. Thanks.’

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Well if you are registered at disqus then all my comments on disqus will come to your email. Have you enabled that setting? It will make your life easier. No more will you have to go to a site to respond as you can do tht from your email box.

    • Guest says:

      …had trouble with email as well…..also am locked out of the image bank, and even the direct links don’t respond.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Did missy make you an administrator with the same powers as she has? She needs to.

    • Guest says:

      I know nothing of admin – can’t find my diary most of the time.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Missy has to send you an email inviting you. Then you have to accept. Ask her to invite you. Or is missy the only one who can do anything there?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      The people who write content on mine also have admin privileges. I don’t want to be the queen.

    • Guest says:

      Missie’s far more on the ball than I am – we wouldn’t have the blogspots without her.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      She’s an administrator. You are providing content. Same with Ev Williams at medium.com

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Stop looking at what I said as adversarial. She could use some help. Without admin status you can’t post hot links. Then she has to go in and do that for you.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Ab’s I meant what I said about giving Dave’s post a good once over. I skimmed through it briefly about a week ago, but I have a bit of a problem now!
      The last few links you have provided all go to his home page and there’s a LOT of stuff on there. Would you be so kind as to provide the direct link again so I can avoid having to take a deep dive through your stream hoping to retrieve the right one?
      Thank you Ab’s.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I linked to the home page so you can see all the other dirt he has swept out from under the rug. The Boston Bombing in a the 3rd section down and there are 18 separate blog posts to it all with different piks. It’s a big undertaking. Most readers are at a disadvantage as they don’t know the piks or the players. The piks are all in the public domain but not in one place as they are there. The text is short after each one and very readable as well as ironic and funny. He is a good writer. Not as good as Hunter Thompson tho but maybe someday, or with enough wild living. If you read it cold it seems to run over you like a shower. If you know a little you want to know more. But if you know a lot then you are able to critically read it. That’s you and Saunders and coach. I myself am too much of an amateur on the piks to say yay or nay. But I have suspended my judgement after reading them. willyloman is conspiracy on everything so he is harder to accept. Dave doesn’t take the conspiracy route on most of wht I’ve read there (none of 9-11 tho) but just deconstructs each pik one at a time. On the Laurel Canyon one it is one narrative at a time. Impressive tho.

  21. SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

    The closer you look, the ‘better’ it gets……….and this is nothing.

    • Missie Baker says:

      S: these profiles match the DT ambu photo, but neither look like him. (I’m out of here–pls talk to BB in the AM.)

    • Guest says:

      These have NEVER looked like Mr.T. Not his profile, nothing. Certainly not the nose. But, it IS familiar. I’ll check in with BabyB as you suggest.

    • Missie Baker says:

      But does match another face,right? (pls go no further here 2nite-sorry for being cryptic.)

  22. SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

    BabyB, nothing much doing……..they’re all either too primitive or they don’t work. I will confer with our friend JohnPaul…In the meantime, check your inbox.

  23. Guest says:

    Congratulations BabyBlake !

    • $73803457 says:

      Hello Saunders – good to hear from you…

    • Guest says:

      I’ve missed all the action again. God knows where we’d be without the calm voice of the forum’s veteran, your own good self. We’d all be in the madhouse losing track of ourselves from chasing down in too many directions at once – and we’d be disappointed to exhaustion at the number of blind alleys.

      No matter how generous people are (and we’re always appreciative) in providing us with info they’ve sought out through their own efforts, it really is necessary to enlighten the young bucks with the widsom of taking things steadily and methodically.

      There’s just no substitute for experience sometimes, eh coach ?

    • $73803457 says:

      and a dash of humor my good man…
      Gotta run now – I do actually coach my grand daughters U12 girls team out on the pitch.
      Back in a few..

    • Baby Blake says:

      Oh thank god! A sane member of society at last! You have NO IDEA how good it feels to have you back. Never desert me again. Congrats on what, and what have you been working on? I have a problem with Mr cha cha. He doesn’t want to live in my computer. Downloading that program made my computer so slow it was almost not working – it was that bad. I had to uninstall. Any other suggestions, as I’d really like to get the gifs done as soon as poss.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Congrats that your inspirational work is now acclaimed with such passion and conviction !

      I have every faith that you will not succumb to the distractions of celebrity so insistently offered by your adoring public. They must be truly and profoundly moved…

      I hadn’t deserted (long story) – though it’s coming to something when I’m referred to as ‘a sane member of society’.

      I’m still locked out of all the images. The door is barred to Mr.Chacha….What operating system are you on ? I know of a couple of good sites where you can get older versions of software. (I use it all the time).

    • Baby Blake says:

      Well thank you for the vote of confidence and no I wont be letting my new ‘infamy’ go to my head at all…..

      I didn’t really think you had deserted me – it was just a turn of phrase! And you are probably right on the second score too – god knows why I referred to you as a sane member of society. Please forgive me S, it will never happen again.

      Computer is running on Windows 7, but on a computer that is over 10ys old – it’s slow at the best of times.

    • Guest says:

      You’re as bad as me with the ancient computers then………And you are forgiven: it is only ever in extremis that I am referred to as a sane member of society, and I understand that the feverish clamouring of the hangers-on must have driven you to that point.

      Graphics…I’m lumbered with Vista here, so I get it. I’ll seek out and get back to you.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Thank you.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      So what is this new celebrity thing for you BB?

    • Baby Blake says:

      ‘Infamy’ as opposed to ‘celebrity’! It’s nothing Abs – a storm in a tea cup. It’s the blog – readership is right up which seems to of come hand in hand with slagging me off. I don’t get it, but i’m a big girl so all will be fine.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      It means they are afraid of you. Fear/hate are in relation to each other. Yes, you have arrived! We need more twittering of you. Am I the only one doing this?

    • Baby Blake says:

      I doubt that very much Ab’s. We hav a blog that sits in a little corner of the internet somewhere – the readership has gone up but we must remember there are still only a small number of people in society that actually go there and read it.
      I’d love it if the authorities feared us – although the odds are truly stacked. No one else has any reason to fear us so I’m sure it’s not that.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You are making a common mistake. At medium.com someone wrote about this, about being a bean counter and not getting discouraged by low numbers. You can never know how many people one person can reach and influence, nor how many of those have similar followers. This is the way I destroyed the Kristen Stewart “cheating” scandal with just 2 people helping me and those 2 with access to followers and listeners who hated me and would never listen to me. Now there are none of those fans who believe anything about it that agrees with any other fan about it. It went out into the wind like milkweed seeds. Hopefully, as the Monarch butterflies need milkweed.

  24. public_servant_watch says:

    http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/opinion/x1155165356/Zoulas-Small-town-big-events-lingering-questions The US Military has nothing to do with the BOP and would not assign someone to watch over Dzhokhar Tsarnaev from the National Guard at the Devens Federal Facility. The building is on a decommissioned military site and not active military. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev IS NOT IN FEDERAL CUSTODY AT DEVENS AND NEVER HAS BEEN. The effort priority should be finding out what this corrupt government has done with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and stopping this corrupt government from DEFRAUDING AMERICA which has included multiple TREASONOUS ACTS.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV3gwtiCYAAsFhD.jpg:large

    • Apple Black says:

      Do you have a website or blog?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      My Twitter has an excellent grid with multiple pieces of evidence and documents. Are you on twitter???

    • Apple Black says:

      My twitter is for family, not this. Can you put this up for study? Do you have justice system credentials? Newspapers have also filed complaints filed on secrecy and first amendment about the sealed docs.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Correct and then a bogus document came out from the court and Gateway Media put in another news article that they sent another letter and that was the last heard on their taking any action.. The fact that the Gateway Media attorney’s letter was never placed on the docket is a concern and they even posted in their papers a bogus “excerpt” claiming a letter from the judge that did not include his signature. There was more case law in this supposed letter they received from the judge than the bogus opinion court staff forged a federal judge’s name on with type and filed on 8/19. They even ensured the document if down loaded had the name George O’Toole in the properties of the document. It was not from the Honorable Judge George A. O’Toole and was never entered into the court’s master docket!! I am not credentialed- I am independently experienced in monitoring the corrupt federal courts as a human rights issue. I am not a lawyer but I know court process and I know when they are pulling crap and can support my allegations with the local rules of the court and federal rules of criminal procedure.

    • Apple Black says:

      Believe u, so call Gateway Media, ask questions or did you try?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I had four calls into the attorney that wrote the letter; he never called me back. I flipped out when the bogus order was released and relayed to a receptionist at the attorneys office that this was bogus crap and that I could tell that by what they published that they received no legitimate letter from Judge O’Toole. Then the article came out where they said the sent another letter and shortly after that the fraudulent electronic order that withdrew the reference to the Magistrate (which was never actually carried in the case record) occurred. The court also posted a notice regarding impounded and sealed filings but the same old same old is occurring in this case with two electronic orders that allowed sealed documents by the docket clerk and what was almost a legitimate document the other day until it got into the hands of the deputy clerk. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWOlJb5CMAA8ehJ.jpg:large

    • Apple Black says:

      keep trying to reach gateway. read your twitter posts before on Justice4Jahar. some bogus filings may be result of overloaded court system? sealed filings would be secrecy but who cares much? 6 months is old news.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Its not the overloaded system. We will fail in the task at hand if we keep giving excuses to habitual corruption. If he had actual attorneys advocating for him they would have filed a motion to correct the docket and ensure the Magistrate referral was removed. They would have mentioned in their lengthy motion regarding SAM that Holder had no authority to institute SAM for a year and requested an order that the restrictions be lifted because Holder’s document was not even signed. We are dealing with tax supported criminals. You do not get over 13 improperly processed orders in a capital case where the death penalty is on the table unless there is collusion. These attorneys and the court employees need to take a look at the case law in the link I am about to provide you. Clearly their interest is not the best interest of Jahar or exposing truth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasser_v._United_States#cite_note-32

    • Hoegarten says:

      This is a very worthy post. Can you put this up on their blog? Perhaps break down this paragraph and your points in bullets? Regarding him being missing from the database, I saw a tweet from the justice department saying that he was not in there because he is 21? That sounds bogus but who knows

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Hello H.
      Can you post/link the tweet you just mentioned ?

    • Hoegarten says:

      Sorry I misread. Here is a link to a tumblr from fox court. They claim its because he hasn’t been sentenced. http://mywishesmysolitude.tumblr.com/post/58393581808/wearemadeofstarstuffs-the-u-s-marshals

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Thanks H.

      The appearance of ‘pointless infighting’ serves a purpose, and is intended to do so.

      If you scroll down to about 2 weeks downstream, prior to the interventions of emerald98 and Ralien Seven, you will see what lies beneath the deluge, and be able to form your own conclusions.

      I quote ‘Truth Serum’ 3 posts down:
      ‘I have to ask these new commentators what their purpose is here and what
      you hope to accomplish?? Many of us frequent this site to keep up to
      date on THIS particular investigation and feel that you have totally
      sabotaged it without bringing anything valuable to the table. Go find
      another playpen full of toddlers to steal toys from!’

    • public_servant_watch says:

      What is says on the Tumbler site is disinfo not by any fault of whoever made that post but because the person accepted information from the government itself. It is simply not true.

      There was an internet video out of a female veteran in a public park who was engaging in a peaceful protest and hassled by the authorities. She was arrested in a rather rough manner. She was taken into custody, and the park fell under federal jurisdiction so she was taken to a federal facility.

      Her name appeared as in custody at that federal facility even before her complaint was entered into the electronic filing system, and she was issued a number upon entering into custody; the number remains. With all her proceedings still pending, a few days after the incident she was released on bail and you could still find her in the system with name or number and an entry that said she was no longer in custody.

      Jahar has a number and it is fake. His is the only number that does not have a hyperlink. see link

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens

      see how the inmate locator defines in custody

      http://www.bop.gov/inmate_locator/inmate_differences.jsp

      If you are in custody you receive a number. If you have difficulty finding someone by name with the inmate locator that you know to be in custody you call and get the number and the number does not fail in giving the status of the person.

      The only people that do not register with the inmate locator are those in transit to another facility. They are not in a building that maintains a roster; they are on the road.

      Pre-trial federal defendants in Massachusetts generally go to a state facility in Plymouth that is under contract with the US Marshal, and they cannot be found in the federal locator system; perhaps this is what was relayed to the person who posted on Tumbler.

      Jahar was an exception to the way things are usually done because he had immediate medical needs so they claimed he went to the Federal Medical Center at Devens.

      If all the information regarding his custody were true, the locator, especially because he has a number, would retrieve his status with a search!

    • Hoegarten says:

      Do you think he’s dead or in Chechnya with Kradyov in a secret lair having orgies?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I believe I know where he may be; I do not think he is dead but I will not post here my thoughts because the psychotic shill is still lurking.

      I think the United States Government is a terrorist State ran by psychopaths and that all three branches are involved in this all out terrorist attack, simulated or not, against the American people and that they have caused us world wide embarrassment.

      Check the date this Bill was drafted. 4/12/2013

      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1542

      See the last part of the bill where the issue is information sharing by the federal authorities to the local authorities. Every Congressional Hearing that followed the bombing maintained that the 4/15/2013 event was not averted because of a failure by the FBI to share info.

      I maintain the event was not averted because it was government orchestrated! The Congress then continually pushed the story line that the FBI was dodging their hearings. The Senate and the Congress had no problem in naming the Boston Bombing in appropriation bills and the event happened at appropriations time.

      Massachusetts was in trouble with the HLS Inspector General for misuse of funds. This little event got them a 70% increase over year 2012 federal funds. The largest hospital chain in Massachusetts has been under DOJ threat of civil anti-trust violations and Massachusetts Hospitals as a whole had $250 million dollars of federal money pulled that they had gotten for years due to a skewed system. They used the bombing in their lobby efforts to get the money back; I do not know if they succeeded yet or or not.

      Rep Keating wrote a supposed “scathing” letter to new Director Comey.

      http://ftpcontent3.worldnow.com/wfxt/pdf/keating-letter-to-fbi-director.pdf

      Keating provided Fox 25 a copy of the letterhead letter which went out over the internet; he posted a text version on his Massachusetts site. The letterhead letter was never entered into the Congressional record and no effort has been taken to get the FBI before Congress.

      Click on my name and it will bring up my post and you can see all the FBI that were the actual crowd at Blast Site 2. Pointing this out seems to be a sin where you become shunned forever. LOL!

      Can’t shut me up; not when there was at minimum ten agents present and seven of them dead ringers of look alikes in AP pictures. Not when three branches of government are in more than apparent collusion to screw the American people. Not when our States and Health Care Industry has for the sake of the almighty dollar chosen the to collude with a rogue government and forget the people. We are in serious trouble. We do not need imagination of what may have happened; we need fact supported by material evidence and those facts and supporting evidence spread to the greater mass.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I wish I could say that I think it would help.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I know, but we we are complicit in the future that will be oppressive beyond our imagination if we don’t act. We need to ensure our children are aware we tried!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      We are in Simulated Reality and fast moving into Virtual Reality. This is The Hunger Games scenario and we cannot escape it. If you have children you must prepare them. To encourage them to study hard, get good grades, go to college and improve their life are all irrelevant now. We are talking survival.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I know this Abby. I know that when the SHTF that those who have been comfortable their entire life will be using whatever they have that is still considered valuable in trade to a seasoned homeless person willing to help them survive!!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I am so grateful I never had children. My only fear is my dog.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      No. It’s going to be like Cormac McCarthy’s The Road.

    • Hoegarten says:

      You know where he might be?! Is there a way to PM on discuss?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I do not not see a way to do that with Disgus. Are you on Twitter? If so, follow @rebelready and I will follow you back and send you a DM.

    • Hoegarten says:

      Rebel Ready or @RebelReady1?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      no 1, I am the original rebel LOL

    • Hoegarten says:

      Followed you. I’m microchipmaven

    • public_servant_watch says:

      K followed back- you have to confirm because you are very smart and locked your account. The trolls on twitter are plentiful and they literally torture all supporters with threats and slander.

    • Hoegarten says:

      Done. Looking forward to your DM!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      But if you are on Twitter you can go to my profile and see what i have posted. You go to @rebelready and hit the link for photos and videos- If it strikes your interest just click the pic. The result will be bigger with the associated tweet at the bottom of the pic. If you want it bigger hit the link for the pic in the tweet part and if you right click you can put the URL in your browser. Some of the tweets have other informative links in them as well.

    • $73803457 says:

      Cant read the doc

    • $73803457 says:

      Whats the difference between Camp and FMC? I suspect one is a prison and the other is FEDERAL MEDICAL CENTER?
      is that correct?

      EDIT: Are you sure you are searching the Medical Center?

    • $73803457 says:

      Now before we all get googlieyed – lets take this methodical like – step by step – I know you are in a hurry – but us old people would rather walk than run – you dont miss as much – if you catch my drift?
      1) Does the SAM have anything to do with the way they might report his presence on the facility? ie., is there another list of inmates in solitary lockup?
      2) Why would they not report his presence on the facility? What benefit to LE does that serve?
      3) why would they lie about where he is being held – again what benefit – who benefits?
      4) Are there records of people visiting him? Interesting to note – His attorneys showed up at Devins a month ago and were denied access to him due to the SAM orders in place. Hmm? Was he even there?
      4a) but again that goes back to – are there any news reports of family, attorneys, visiting him at Devens
      EDIT:
      5) I recall one of the fan sites having an address to send books and letters – what is it – and is there any record that he have received or responded to correspondence?

    • Baby Blake says:

      I looked into the ‘missing’ info re DT a while back. It was because he was being held under terror laws – nothing suspicious in it as far as I could tell C. DT has never responded to ‘fan mail’, although he has responded to his mother. Check your email in a minute or so.

    • $73803457 says:

      Did you check to see if other terrorists are not listed either? Not that I have the foggiest of who, what, where, when – but it might put a bone in his pie hole for a while.

    • $73803457 says:

      abs nailed it again….

    • Baby Blake says:

      He was referring to us getting distracted from the task at hand as of late. We have been and not knuckling down like we usually do – so you were right.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      That’s what trolls do to a site. Especially ones that are trying to focus on something and reach closure.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Exactly. I did – but this was ages ago and I’ve lost all my damn links. If someone wants to go on a mission and do the same for themselves they’ll find the same. The ‘missing’ info is old news as far as I am concerned, so I will not be revisiting! Sorry folks – I know I should of kept the links.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      They are probably dead anyway. It seems they are purging them like well……….a lot.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      He was not held under Terror law until August 27th according to Holder’s unsigned memorandum. No one including Carmen Ortiz has the authority to institute SAM except Holder, and no prison official is going to risk suit by illegally instituting such measures without the proper protocol and a SIGNED document from the appropriate person with authority.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      The SAM is fraudulent!! Holder never signed it and it exceeds the authority of the statute!! Hit my pic links directly-apparently that’s the only way to make them big. A prison has to record who they have in custody- it is a safety issue; further in prison you are a number for everything you get. An inmate under SAM has all the more reason to have him come up as in custody to ensure the public that they do in fact have him and that they are safe from the alleged danger!!

      http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/24mcrm.htm

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV3yqlRCcAEgxeD.jpg:large

    • public_servant_watch says:

      That’s like asking the question why would the US Government terrorize its own population. There are few answers when you are dealing with psychopaths. The material evidence, statutes, clues such as no signature on a document that holds a seal and withheld from the government printing office and published rules support my allegations.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      This is the kind of kindling that keeps the flames bursting forth on conspiracy and faux.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Devens is included in a BOP inmate search – at the link below you will see that Jahar is the only one who has a number that has no hyperlink- it is FAKE!!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Oh I see — it comes up bigger if you hit the link directly sorry so small

    • $73803457 says:

      Its nice to know our lurkers are always thinking of us.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Never a lurker; I believe the last comment section I saw you at I was at first and you found me. :)

  25. Apple Black says:

    http://dzhokhar-protest.tumblr.com/http//justice4dzhokhar.tumblr.com/post/59658971432/fact-sheet

    It is a FACT that police scanner recordings from the night of the carjacking clearly state that the carjacking took place at a gas station in Cambridge – this contradicts both Danny’s & the FBI’s versions of events which stated that the carjacking took place on an abandoned city street. The police scanner’s also state that the carjacking victim is the “nephew of an off duty police officer – a fact that the press never reported on.

    • patsysvodka says:

      the nephew of an off duty police officer was a reference to a separate incident that was taking place that night. Had nothing to do with the carjacking.

    • $73803457 says:

      You are correct regarding the scanner chatter of investigator 19 – he reports 1001 Cambridge – Richies Shell is where the carjacking occurred.
      but PV is right – the reference to the nephew was about something else…

  26. Baby Blake says:

    Can someone help me out? I’m writing the ‘bags’ article Emma requested. Anyone have a link to Sdoia ‘it was a BLACK bag’….

    I have the ‘pop pop’ running into it etc, but cannot find the black bag ref anywhere. If I didn’t know better I would say it’s been scrubbed because I know I read it several times……!

    Thank you.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Huh? Why? Why do they get all that money as compared to others? I don’t get it!

    • Indi says:

      Yep BB, I was alarmed as well… I don’t get it too…

      I don’t understand the law jargons… but this shows that there are more people thinking that the way this process is being conducted is far from correct. I made a screenshot of two comments about this article (refresh the page to see it). What do You think?

      http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/news/x511627772/Tsarnaevs-lawyers-ask-for-more-info-before-death-penalty-decision

    • Baby Blake says:

      I know exactly who that is making those comments, she often tries to push the angle that DT is dead/doesn’t exist or is already back home. The problem that I have with this is it really doesn’t make any difference. The case is proceeding as if all aspects of it ARE legitimate, including the docket entries/procedural orders etc. His family believe he still alive and locked in solitary confinement at Devens. His sisters will both be at his next court appearance, as they were at the last (when he appeared in person). They didn’t go to the recent one as it was only procedural, and the point that commenter made about ‘supporters being told it was a closed hearing’ is also false. A few of the ‘adults’ among them did actually attend.
      In short I don’t think the angle this commenter makes is ever going to go anywhere, even if aspects of it are true.

    • $73803457 says:

      But are documents she sites in fact not their or bogus? I dont know enough about the process to find out or even have an informed opinion. Another poster here a ways a ways back argued similarly but everyone ignored it because no one could respond to the validity of the statements. Just curious – as usual.

    • Indi says:

      I see. I read that somewhere out there as well and thought it was BS. For me, DT is still alive.
      Anyway, if anyone has more info about the mess with the documents, I would be interested in it…

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Baby Blake is a shill! Never once has she read any statement that indicated “she often tries to push the angle that DT is dead/doesn’t exist or is already back home”. The only statement this shill has from me is that it is rumored that he may be in a veterans hospital which you can see she never relayed to you..

      She is not an attorney nor does she speak of any independent experience in dealing with the federal courts to understand court rules and court process, and she claims to be from the UK so how would she have any knowledge of federal court process here in the United States.

      She LIES through her teeth and distracts from the true corruption in this case in which all three branches of government are involved and prefers to distract to a scenario that would implicate another suspect and ignore proof that the crowd at the Blast Site was the FBI who were not only present at Blast time but acted as rescue, fake victims and moulage artist for the propaganda pictures that followed.

      Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is not at Devens nor has he ever been in custody at this federal prison; his register number is FAKE.

      His defense attorneys have made a false appearance in the case and so have the AUSA who are representing the United States. No federal judges allow the filing of of motions by any party unless the representing attorney has filed an official NOTICE OF APPEARANCE which puts them under the authority of the court.

      Judy Clarke is not on the record by any legal filing and it appears her signature is being forged including her signature on a bogus affidavit that is legally deficient; she has not made a notice of appearance or paid pro hac vice fees, both, of which are required regardless of the fact that she was appointed. The order appointing her was fraudulent and it did not appear on the court’s master docket where all recent orders are listed in chronological order by all sitting judges. The order, of significant importance, is not even entered into the courts written opinions report which would be used to validate true and valid documents of the court in any appeals process. Documents undersigned by her are coming from the Federal Public Defenders Office and are aberrant from any filing she has ever made in any case in which she was legitimately on the record. Clarke has a paralegal that types and categorizes her filings and the paralegal’s name is always in the properties of her PDF documents filed with the courts.

      No legitimate order is on the report including the fraudulent protective order, and the two opines that did make it to the written opinions report are fraudulent as they were only entered on the case docket and not the master docket of the court.

      PROOF Baby Blake is a liar http://somethingreallyirrelevant.tumblr.com/post/60429264037

      You do not get to run simulated criminal proceedings on the taxpayer’s back in a federal court during a sequester, during a government shutdown or any time legally in the United States of America. It is straight up FRAUD.

      The defense attorneys filing in this matter to a layman’s eye may appear to be representing the “defendant” but they are in fact a part of the SCAM. The SAM motion never addressed that Holder did not even bother to sign the document, this matter was never raised in the 9/23 conference, and the fact that by the statute Holder has no authority to institute SAM for an entire year was never addressed in the motion. It’s all bogus while these corrupt fools take the American people for a ride, work to further diminish rights and rob them blind at appropriations time where this event was named multiple times to take more money from the American people.

      Further, this event involves substantial racketeering and conspiracy to deprive rights with alleged homicides of suspects and people who could talk. Every government official, state and federal, and the private sector cons involved in this if convicted regardless if involved directly in the homicides if involved in the conspiracy are looking by RICO Statute at mandatory life in prison. The true criminals in this action have good reason to ensure there are plenty of shills out there to provide distraction.

      You people on this site have blocked with your thousands of wordy entries all the entries below in which most of what you’re posting had already been raised with supporting evidence.

      You are delusional if you think you are original in any manner and although by reading a few of these post I can see that there are a few here who are truly interested in finding justice for this poor kid who has had his life destroyed; the fact that he is NOT AT DEVENS leaves open multiple questions of what his actual status may be and if he is still alive is a question that not only needs asked but the answer needs demanded and that should be priority in writings to every agency, Congress, Senate, and authorities over the US Courts. The rhetoric here does him no good; they know he is not guilty because the act was government orchestrated and with simulated court they will get away with it!!!

      Actual material evidence backs up my allegations including high probability of Congressional involvement and cover-up by the House HLS Committee.

      I’m a little ticked off at the moment and don’t care to post all I have at the moment and certainly am not going to take a useless effort for a group of shills so if anyone has interest, and is truly advocating for Jahar, I will be happy to post at your request.

    • Indi says:

      No, BB is not a shill. Chill out.
      I will take a look at Your docs, thank You for posting.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Well I deal with her on Twitter and thought you would like a heads up; she is 100% shill!!!! Everything I am about to post for you regarding the court she was provided which she then ignored and ensures you folks in CAPITAL LETTERS that the court proceedings ARE legitimate.

      Most are explained but no experience with court records may be difficult. Any clarity you may need feel free to ask. Sorry they are small and excerpts but you can only post something to 3.0MB on twitter and they don’t let you post PDF here. I have all the whole documents and every master docket since April 29th.

      To make the links as big as they will get hit the link directly one at a time. For some reason if you just hit the pics below they come up small.

      Apparently you guys have access to the case docket at your other site where you can see that no NOTICE OF APPEARANCE HAS BEEN FILED BY the USA OR DEFENSE attorneys with the exception of one AUSA who is not filing motions in the case. The case docket is not the same as the activity docket which actually list the time the filings were made.

      The main concern is the fraudulent electronic order that withdrew the magistrate order . When you see an activity docket here which I believe is 10/4 the case in the case record is still referred to the Magistrate and the corrupt clerks that work under Judge O’Toole are now controlling what get’s filed. The entries into the case by, both, the USA and Defense because the reference is still active sends all these filings to the Magistrate’s docket and they can control entries and bogus documents from there.

      They have played with the written opinions reports a few times and put the two entries back; at first they removed Bowlers but I believe when they learned because it made it to the written opinions it automatically transferred to the GPO web site they put it back. If a judicial opinion is not on this report or entered into the all recent orders where ALL orders go by all judges it is in fact a fraudulent order.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWPncaYCYAAs_P4.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVbu_INCEAAIqqe.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVcLetOCcAAG50n.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVbwGfJCUAEBgDz.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVYxl6BCAAEEVU8.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVYqC9SCMAAK5ZY.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWOlJb5CMAA8ehJ.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWDEJIfCcAAf71l.jpg:large

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV3vDNJCIAAepyH.jpg:large

    • $73803457 says:

      I think you and emerald ought to get a room ….you are perfect for each other – seriously!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      What? Are you a shill? Emerald appears against Jahar–I have advocated for him from the start. You seem to have a problem with actual evidence that implicates the government and hoo and haa here about all your discoveries that I already posted five thousand nine hundred or so entries below.

    • $73803457 says:

      opposites attract – or havent you heard? we are the third way.

    • otterdaughter says:

      don’t get offended. i believe bb was talking about me pushing an agenda, not you.
      it doesn’t bother me a bit. it goes with the territory. this case is super emotionally charged for everyone and everyone gets defensive of their position…down to the detail. all you can do is fight the good fight, as you see it.

      i am familiar with your information. it is plausible and i cannot discount it without further investigation.

      bb is right on one point: this very well could be a real trial, and if that’s the case the fbi is gonna march in there with solid evidence, imo. nothing we can do about that. but what we can do is expose the 27 million holes in the official story.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      It is in whole FRAUDULENT simulated criminal proceedings.

    • otterdaughter says:

      it is possible. what can be done about that?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Hard to say because we have the three federal branches, now one rogue, government involved in this crap. We need to find an honest judge but the federal courts in this country have been infiltrated by corrupt staff that block legitimate filings and help run the simulated proceedings. It was as bad as stated in the link I am about to post for you in 2005- so imagine now. http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-s-corrupt-legal-system/885

    • otterdaughter says:

      i don’t question your veracity, but what if you’re wrong?
      for jahar’s sake we have to assume he’s in real legal trouble, and try to help him in ways that we can do as layman.
      if we’re wrong, then no harm done, right?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      We have to help him regardless of the circumstances; I do not claim to know the purpose behind these simulated proceedings but I want him produced or an honest statement from this government on what his status is and for this crap to never happen to another human being again.

      The fight is a very valid fight; anyone of us could be next at the whim of a corrupt public servant.

    • Apple Black says:

      How do you get that? If you can’t trust courts, how to believe? They did produce him for hearing–sisters were there?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      You are in a game that involves deception. I saw the video and hoped it was him; you have to consider was this video a purposeful release and all the comments by people who know him and saw aberrations. Do you know his sisters, do you know Judy Clarke, do you know Jahar to look at the video and say you are 100% certain that was him? Why did they feel they needed to show up at the court with him 41/2 hours before the hearing? When dealing with deception the only FACT is nothing can be trusted. YOU CANNOT TRUST THE US COURTS. The government promotes their reputation; people in other countries are forewarned how corrupt they are should they choose to travel to the US.

    • otterdaughter says:

      i agree.
      i’m done here. these people are ridiculous! just the biggest hypocrites ever. if u hang around you’ll see.
      i will see you on twitter!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      There is a strong appearance to clutter the site and block the earlier entries; they do not have exclusive privilege here where they get to defeat the actual goal of what the site purports to represent which is truth beyond the MSM lies and propaganda!! You should hang out and when actual material evidence is posted showing the culpable parties terrorizing the American population more folks will come to the site. Currently the site appears essentially vacant other than these jokers communicating with each other!!

    • $73803457 says:

      I’ll drink to that!

    • $73803457 says:

      Looks like its just us now

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Good Lord has this crazy situation driven you to talk to yourself or are you simply consulting with the only source you trust!! LOL

    • $73803457 says:

      anything else ?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      The only “anything else” is the FACT that I want to know where Jahar is and if he is safe and I want to know NOW.

    • $73803457 says:

      and you think I know this because…why?

    • $73803457 says:

      And you think I know this because of…..?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Never said you know; simply restating the actual cause which is far beyond some fool promoting him or her self on the back of another human being in dire straits!!

    • $73803457 says:

      Can you speak english? I am far too old to futz around all the inuendo and gobbledeegook?

    • public_servant_watch says:

      You are probably not any older than me but you are exhausting and making me older. Use your comprehension skills and put the language puzzle together.

    • $73803457 says:

      so you think I am good old guy and you are wrong for saying all the mean things you said tonight – thats what my puzzler tells me – but wait there is more – you sleep alone and have few friends and dont know how to make friends so you beat up on everyone who doesnt agree with you – and you like to play with yourself a lot.
      I get it – it makes sense.

      EDIT: but wait there is more…

      you’re mother dropped you on your head when you were young and you’ve never fully recovered. At any moment you drop your drawers and sing yankee doodle dandee and…

    • $73803457 says:

      I’ll drink to that again!!! Hell ya!!!

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Maybe you are older than me or else you are suffering early dementia where you freely make unwarranted inappropriate comments. Drink your milk and get to bed; folks suffering this type of devastating decline tend to do better in the early morning hours!! Oh and I wont be responding to further snarky yet not at all humorous comments so don’t waste your time!!!

    • $73803457 says:

      kisses and hugs poor deluded bugger…why here in New Delhi its 10 in the morning. Well do take care – and see you on the next up swing. Must make that 11:00 am tea time…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      It’s just so difficult for people to wrap their head around the fact – not opinion – that the govt is involved in this to the max. My niece’s lifetime partner remembers being 10 when RFK was killed. He was in the street playing with other kids when they all heard Bobby had been shot. He said, “We all knew immediately the govt did it and Sirhan Sirhan was a patsy. None of us kids were fooled.”

    • Baby Blake says:

      Ok, I really shouldn’t respond here but I feel I ought to as this is taking up space that we just don’t have and it’s about more than ‘fake court’ proceedings.

      You believe all the victims never were as they were amputee actors/people with fake blood thrown all over them, correct? And all the first responders who attended the scene were undercover FBI, also true? You also believe that most of the footage was faked shopped (strange they didn’t shop out all the ‘FBI agents you claim to of spotted, but hey), and that the entire event was a complete hoax propagated to the masses by the MSM.

      You believe all the court proceeedings are also fake, your not sure if the ‘judge’ was even the real judge and you’ve toyed with the idea that DT was played by an actor in court, correct on that too?

      So if no one died or got hurt and the whole thing was faked from the very beginning why is DT any different? He would be the only ‘real’ person in the whole damn hoax!

      I asked you this question the other night and you never replied – instead you announced to the world I was a ‘shill’ within 3 minutes of me asking. No one listened to you then, just as no one will listen to you now. If the real reason you came here was to start another argument and call people ‘shills’ when you don’t want to answer a question then you’re wasting your time.

      I’ve responded to you this once – I asked you the other night to not involve me in your games – but once again you have, this time appearing under a sock.

      You are waste of my time, which is a shame as there may just be something in the court proceedings angle.

      Whatever – do not respond to this I’ve had enough of your BS. Get lost and let us get on with our work please.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      I was not aware that you were the owner of this site!!! You have no idea what I believe and just did a list of what would be most distasteful to others still legitimately discovering. YOU ARE A SHILL!!!

      What makes you think what you believe is correct? The entire world is more than aware that this was a sham so why does your harping on “real” victims over government sanctioned racketeering frauds get special standing. You’ve no evidence to prove these people are legitimate. We even have a fraudulent protective order that will destroy or seal at best any real evidence such as medical records and death certificates in simulated proceedings.

      You suffer from a significant ego problem and you pulled this same crap on Woodybox. I am here NOW to ensure people know truth over your distractions, to ensure we find out what has happened to Jahar and to call out this corrupt Government. This is my country, and I want it for my children and theirs in the state that we were led to believe it existed before this corrupt coup got a hold of it. You have a problem with that then stick to your UK site!!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I have to say when I read all of Dave’s analysis of piks after the bombing, it looks like it was staged. That’s not to say that Dzokhar will not take the “real” fall to show that it was real. Please read the piks and the text before you say it’s crazy.http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/ Please as I can’t find what is wrong with what he says. IF you can with your experience, I will believe you.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Is that a challenge Abs??!! I noticed you’ve linked this a couple of times and I did check it out – although not religiously.
      I will return to it again and give it a darn good once over.
      And where the ‘experience’ you refer to comes from I don’t know – I am in exactly the same shoes as everyone else here. We do our best, but I think ‘experience’ is definitely not the right word to use!
      I’ll have another look.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      If there is anybody with more eagle eyes than you, coach and saunders, I will start eating my shoe along with Herzog. Dave has excellent eyes and after looking at all his other stuff I do not believe he spends all his time shopping photos, which he would have to do if these are not camera taken.

      If DT can die or be imprisoned forever for this then that would make it REAL! Correct? I do know you know all the players by sight and where they were at any given time slot. So who best to go over these piks which are causing so much disturbance. His analysis and consequences are spot on. Confinement and the implementation of Simulated Reality entering Virtual Reality. In other words The Hunger Games come true. And Martial Law of course. Which the masses are going to beg for to get some feelings of security, that someone is in charge. Glad for the shutdown tho unless that is feeding into it too and well it might.

    • $73803457 says:

      I have looked them all over. There is nothing there for me to add or take away. Cant prove up – and cant prove down. So you move on. There really is nothing else to say.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Could you be clearer for me?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Well now that really told me a lot. Maybe you were looking at a Pepsi ad or something.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I have about given up asking you about these piks. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

    • otterdaughter says:

      what?? i told you people this 2 months ago! you, specifically, called me a troll and a labrador retriever bc you found my info soooo ridiculous. now you are even considering the possibility?
      even though many of you were rude to me (and woody box, emerald, and now servant…basically anyone you don’t agree with) i decided to stick around bc i thought, in the end, you guys (saunders and coach, actually) would be dedicated to the evidence. i can see now you’re only dedicated to the evidence that you find.

      just like the cops – it has to be your idea.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Your “SOURCES” do not have any credibility on this aspect. Nor does the way you write and comment.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Yes, not one of them is credentialed to make any determination about the alleged injuries but they know it all.

      Medical professionals all over this country are shocked by what went on and the claims made but if still working each and every one has to keep mouth shut.

      I don’t and spent my life taking care of patients pre-op, post-op, critically ill including trauma patients that included but not limited to burns, amputations, head injuries and SHOCK in the pre-op and post-op phase on the floors and in the intensive care unit!!

      I know what an ER looks like when there is a disaster going on because my butt has been in there getting patients stabilized and prepped for OR.

      The attached picture is Mass General 4:15 PM on 4/15/2013 and the crowd in the ER looks rather bored. There is no current disaster plan in action beyond the staff being present. The injuries on the board tell me exactly what would be happening; although, many of the injuries would not be listed as they have listed them and this was straight up propaganda!!

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWWEYOACEAAQSyq.png:large

    • otterdaughter says:

      i’m an advanced practice rn!! with years of experience too! but i’m not credible i’m told. it’s the way i write. i guess it’s so awful it undermines my expertise or some such thing.
      a medical professional willing to comment on the evidence – how many of those are floating around? how idiotic must one be to piss away that resource?

    • $73803457 says:

      let it go – he’s – trying to shut this blog down

    • otterdaughter says:

      ???

    • $73803457 says:

      night night sweet prince

    • $73803457 says:

      hold on – deep breath – distinguish between who you are talking to – the core of us is firm we have been at this too long. We resist the idiots and pretenders the best we can but we cant deflect everyone.
      are you reading me?

      We may fly the coup to do the work without the distractions. Pay attention and be patient.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      Read me!!! You have no background to make a determination; investigative or otherwise. Your scanner reports have been a fabulous contribution but you have been known to deny and not process what your eyes see!!!

    • $73803457 says:

      kisses and hugs!

    • $73803457 says:

      beep beep!

    • otterdaughter says:

      maybe. i think so.

    • $73803457 says:

      he’s trying to shut us down – let it go – the core group is off for now –

    • otterdaughter says:

      aye

    • otterdaughter says:

      i have two “kitzenberg” shots i haven’t seen before. do you want them?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You may have a point but when you sound demented – and you do – the true bits get lost.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I would say that you are raving and cannot be replied to.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      You appear to be an insincere chameleon that panders to whomever will humor you by responding to your long irrelevant post where you think your intellect shines.

      I make a post regarding the, not only unjust, but illegal proceedings going on in this case on another site and someone post my evidence supported comment on this site. Then my integrity without warrant is attacked and outright lies are stated indicating that I have provided false information.

      I had a right to make a strong response to that post just as I do to this post by you.

      The hypocrisy by this group that thinks it has exclusive posting rights on this site is astounding.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      “You appear to be an insincere chameleon that panders to whomever will humor you by responding to your long irrelevant post where you think your intellect shines.”

      “You appear to be an insincere chameleon that panders to whomever will humor you….” You need a period at the end of that first part.

      Now for the second part: “by responding to your long irrelevant post where you think your intellect shines.” —–“by responding to your long irrelevant post…..” The syntax is incorrect here. It is not clear WHO is supposed to be responding to my post” –?? — And it is not a post, it is a comment. These are two different things. A blog is the site. A post is a post on the blog site. A comment on the blog post is a comment. Are you clear now?

      “by responding to your long irrelevant post where you think your intellect shines.”

      Here’s what I said: “I would say that you are raving and cannot be replied to.” And I am not really sure where the intellect in that comment is, nor where I think my intellect shines. Maybe it is in the cellar. You could open the cellar door to find out. Cellardoor is supposed to be the most beautiful sounding word in the English language. Do you agree? Or maybe you need to study English more before you can answer that question?

      “I make a post regarding the, not only unjust, but illegal proceedings going on in this case on another site and someone post my evidence supported comment on this site. Then my integrity without warrant is attacked and outright lies are stated indicating that I have provided false information.”

      Now here’s where things get sticky. “”I make a post regarding the, not only unjust, but illegal proceedings going on in this case on another site and someone post my evidence supported comment on this site. ” Here is where you give yourself away as an Eastern European or a Russian. “I make a post….” IN English you do not make a post. You post. Post is a verb. I post is in the present tense. Since you have already done it, I post is incorrect. It should be “I posted…” since you have already posted so that means your action is finished.

      “and someone post my evidence supported comment on this site.” Here you use post as a verb “someone post” but your subject and your verb are not in agreement. It should be “someone posts” – with an “s” making the verb plural. But since it is already finished, it should be “someone posted” in the past tense as it has already been finished, been posted. OK so far in your superb English lesson for FREE!

      I’ll take you at your word that someone posted your “evidence supported comment on this site.” Since I did not, have not read your “evidence supported comment” I do not know if you presented evidence, “facts” from some “source” or other (the way the tabloids do it) or if your opinion is cited. Perhaps you could respond to this one and give me your “evidence” as there is precious little of it that can be trusted. And I am including LE as well as “witnesses” and different sites and media reporting. I myself have no personal evidence, as I was not there.

      Which leads us to the FACT that we are all in SIMULATED REALITY, in a manufactured SPECTACLE for the purpose of confusing the situation so irretrievably that no one will ever know anything. So there is no true and false here in Simulated Reality, there is only credibility. Credibility is seriously affected by the correctness of the grammar and syntax used in anyone’s assertions. If it is incorrect then the “facts” or “evidence” presented is seriously questioned as being credible, only a little credible, or hardly credible at all.

      More from you: “Then my integrity without warrant is attacked and outright lies are stated indicating that I have provided false information.”

      “without warrant is attacked and outfight lies” is a sound bite meaning sort of “without justification, unnecessarily, irrelevantly, spuriously, …..etc. Do you mean you were disagreed with here? Did someone disagree with what you said? Did they not agree with you? WELL HONEY, they don’t have to agree with you.

      “My integrity is attacked,” is also sticky, you know like those little yellow pieces of paper you stick on things to remind you of something and then forget where you put the sticky piece of paper. NO ONE ever takes anyone’s “integrity” – whatever that is – as a “thing” and “object” a “something” that cannot be questioned or touched. Where is it anyway? Behind your belly button? In the side of your mouth? Under your fingernails? I have never seen it so I would appreciate it if you could tell me where to look for it.

      “outright lies are stated indicating that I have provided false information.” Well welcome to the club. In the US just about all information is false. “Sources” are made up out of thin air to say whatever someone wants them to say. The media says X on Monday and Z on Tuesday WITHOUT CORRECTING THEMSELVES! This is the way very smart Americans think. They are smart because they know 99% of all Americans will never notice they changed what they said so they will never be corrected on it. Americans are used to hearing lies and pay no attention to lies or truth so don’t be insulted by that when it is applied to you. It is just a cultural custom. Pay no mind.

      I won’t go into your adjective “strong” as in a “strong response to you”, but for your information a “strong response” is almost always used in a sexual connotation and I really don’t think you meant anything sexual in your comment.Or did you? (I’m much too old for you.)

      Sorry I just had to question your use of hypocrisy: “The hypocrisy by this group that thinks it has exclusive posting rights on this sight is astounding.”

      Hypocrisy above in that sentence is not quite correct. Hypocrisy has the meaning of saying one thing and meaning another. A good example for you to really understand this word “hypocrisy” is to listen to “Mr. President Hope and Change Obama.” He says a lot of nice sounding things. Whenever you hear him say something nice, or constructive, or progressive, – whatever – PLEASE KNOW HE DOESN’T MEAN IT or he means the opposite. Or listen to Jon Stewart who unmasks hypocrisy for you while making you laugh. I think you have been taught English by someone who learned it as a second language. They knew the words but not the nuances of the meaning of the words they used and taught you. Just go listen to Jon Stewart and soon you will be up to speed. Good luck. Any donations will be very appreciated.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Not worth replying to. Delete her.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      It is spreading. Not viral yet. But it has reached the point where there can be no consensus of opinion on it anymore. The mass media narrative is just that: the mass media version of events the way the govt wants to have them presented. A democracy requires a free press and we haven’t got one. Are we the version of Thomas Paine’s Common Sense paper.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Wow. Those numbers were a surprise. And they complain that teachers make too much!

  27. Baby Blake says:

    Another article in Boston magazine about Todeshev’s girlfriend.

    “”Tatiana Gruzdeva Is Spending Her 20th Birthday Behind Bars””

    This dude just wont let it lie. I’m beginning to think he knows something, but just cant come right out and say it. Thoughts?

    http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/10/09/tatiana-gruzdeva-spending-20th-birthday-behind-bars/#.UldNq7VKGkU.twitter

    • olballcoach says:

      ah – BB she is dudette…
      and I dont think there is any reason you cant contact her and invite her to look at the site – and pick her brain a bit….
      We are still on the lookout…..or at least we should be?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      It seems she got this girl into trouble by not knowing the rules herself. So an additional story on her alleviates some of her guilt I guess. This is the problem with journalists who don’t know the rules and jeopardize their clients. Obviously the newspaper they work for doesn’t inform them either. But I bet the in-service training for new reporters ensures that they smile a lot when interviewing, and do this and that, emphasizing trivia, but somehow neglect something really important like these rules. She wanted the story, got the story, and someone else pays for it. Fug.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      And remember what the FBI did to Martha Stewart whose stupid fug of a lawyer told her to talk with them. Then they played good cop/bad cop with her and she tangled herself up good.

    • Baby Blake says:

      We are still on the lookout yes – and I wasn’t suggesting contacting Boston magazine. I am just fascinated by the fact they whip out a story like this every week without fail. People had speculated about Murphy being an under the radar whistle blower and I completely discounted it (still do) but this magazine seems very open to the possibility all is not what it seems – which is amazing when you consider where it is printed.

    • $73803457 says:

      Hey – I am serious about contacting her. I have been sending emails to reporters I run across who make the ol spidey senses buzz. Havent heard back from a single one yet – but I figure it cant hurt and one of these trys somebody is going to look and say – oh s#*t they are right!

    • Baby Blake says:

      Boston magazine have been the most ‘sympathetic bunch’. The guy who originally got the Tatiana interview which led to her arrest and imminent deportation was a very good friend of one of the Waltham three. I get the impression he doesn’t believe for one second that Todeshev was anything to do with the killing. What he thinks of TT I have no idea. The fact that he is ‘open’ is promising. I don’t know whether to wait, or go now. I’m useless at these things.

    • $73803457 says:

      Done.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Wow. Really? I didn’t think you’d take the leap. Do you get my email?

    • $73803457 says:

      responded.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Actually while he is sympathetic he just feeds into the whole thing strengthening it. It has absorbed his sympathetic musing like Pac-Man and is now digesting it very well. The system needs an opposing or contrary position. Also his interview led to her arrest. Was that intended all along?

    • olballcoach says:

      Hey BB you around? Check your email…

  28. Baby Blake says:

    For Missy – I have posted a new photo album over at the blog. 70 or so images of your boat. I don’t think there’s even 1 that will reveal that damn note – but they’re over there for you anyway (and whoever else may want to see them, it’s a public album).

  29. emerald98 says:

    Let me address the “rubber stamp” GJ stats, I find it interesting that you don’t give credence to the legal process as so many are quick to make sure Jahar’s rights are guarded under this same system, but in your stats, how many went to trial, took pleas or ultimately convicted? Just because there is high number of Federal Grand Jury indictments doesn’t mean they should be overlooked as frivolous or without merit. Plenty of cases go through this process and make it to trial. Pertaining to this case, this indictment is heading to trial. So many people that come at this angle, that the legal system cannot be trusted, corrupt, etc.,use this as a line of defense, I disagree with that. We continue to speculate or draw our own conclusions – and see what we want to see or give certain aspects more attention than others, and all people do this. Regardless of the crime, each person deserves the best legal representation as possible – and in this case, there are 4 lawyers and a host of others that will do this for Jahar, if he is innocent or guilty, the evidence will prove this. Let the evidence do the talking. I agree with Indie, that none of us are privy to ALL the information in this case – only the prosecutors and defense – and of course the defendant knows the real facts.

  30. Baby Blake says:

    Added another album to the blog ‘Bomb#1 prior to the explosion’. About 80 images in there with another 100 or so to add.

  31. Indi says:

    Have You guys seen this blog? http://seesdifferent.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-watertown-shootout-reconstructed/

    I guess S was working on a map as well, wasn’t he?

    Keep up the good work, guys!

    • olballcoach says:

      Very nice and Thank you.

      I only have one correction for this – and that is relative to Pugliese’s graphic. I recall he said that he pulled up on Cypress and entered Laurel from the backyards about the same place the map has him tackling Tamerlan. Minor correction.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Tht’s a nice blog post on Watertown. The more scenarios the better IMO. Has missy linked this one to hers. She needs to do this.

    • Indi says:

      C, yes, I found this Pugliese route he drew awkward. There are also some other things… he goes the idea of TT being driven by DT in the SUV. I doubt that. And he does not draw what You explained in Your post in the blog, the approximation of the police car and its backing.

      My idea while posting this was, what if You people who understand Watertown a little better than the average people would draw a similar map, but with the corrections. Or maybe a second one also which incorporates the questions of Missie makes in her article “The Strangest Thing? Watertown Shootout: WMD? (Part 1)”
      http://allthingsforum1.blogspot.de/2013/09/the-strangest-thing-watertown-shootout.html

      I guess making things more visual calls more attention to the questions. You know. Watertown is not simple, so it helps if there is less text and more visual material (ok, I am giving it away… I am an architect, so I am more familiar with visual stuff since I was a kid :) ). I wish I could help, but I don’t really get the Watertown mess in my head…

    • $73803457 says:

      Got it – good idea.
      I dont know how to do that all that well – but I am going to be writing the next couple of days and I will work on it.

    • Indi says:

      Coach, I am familiar with Photoshop, but I don’t have Your info. When You have worked out the info, I could help putting it into a google aerial view map and make it visible.

    • $73803457 says:

      Okay – get access to the back end of the blog from BB or Missie – I think emails are there if not I will post with the info – expect it Sunday or Mondy at the latest.

    • Indi says:

      Deal, Coach. I am at the end of my doc thesis, so I unfortunately can’t spend a lot of time on it, but I guess I can do it pretty easily if You scribble the info in an existing map (you can do it all by hand if You find it easier).

      So if that is not asking too much, would You draw a sketch over an existing map and send it over? I would work with Adobe Illustrator to integrate the info into a google aerial view map. 2 hours of work and You get it back. :)

    • $73803457 says:

      got it.
      thanks

  32. olballcoach says:

    Geez – you mean the FBI manipulates Grand Jurys?

    http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/how-grand-juries-are-manipulated-fbi-intimidate-political-dissidents-and-radicals

    From the article;
    Jen Kaplan, a lawyer who represented one of the Northwest grand jury resisters, says that rather than operating as a check on the judicial system, grand juries have become, “grease chutes where the prosecution presents evidence and the grand jury more likely than not will go forward with an indictment.”

    Makes ya wonder what kind of evidence was presented?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Wow. Really? I dont believe it C. I heard some absurd theory that they actually obtained confessions under coercion and refused to record themselves doing it too. Ridiculous………

      Updated the image bank at the blog. There are a few more in the site two before the explosions dump, and a new file ‘in and around mile 26’. All taken around the corner of Fairfield at various times of the day.

      I know you and Em were venturing over to bomb#1 on a bit of a DM hunt. I have a lot of pics from there taken before the explosion. Shall I make a new file for those too – may help to keep it in one place while you’re both looking?

      Also, I uploaded the latest court document from yesterday. Defense have been granted a request that the names of 3 witnesses remain under seal.

    • olballcoach says:

      Yes – that would be helpful.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Right. The slog continues! Will start doing it now, whilst it’s still quiet here.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Yes FBI takes testimony on paper. Non-digital and non-audio. Then when the person testifies in court NOT in the same way or words they ask if they were lying. Then they get them for lying. It’s quite clever. So they are forced to OK the FBI interview and whatever the FBI says that you said. And they can say anything at all. Now will the defense allow the FBI to inject their version into the testimony. My guess the defense will want Dzokhar Tsarnaev to appear as damaged as possible.

      Glad defense is protecting their witnesses.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I just did a post on that very subject over at the blog Abs.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Here’s a PDF summary of Foucault’s talk at Minnesota in 1972. http://progressivegeographies.com/2013/10/10/foucaults-1972-lecture-at-minnesota-summary-now-available/#comment-23677 I request you read it as its genealogy is chilling for us now. We are seeing theatre, a microcosm of what is to come. Remember genealogical method does not have a chronology. It does not exist in linear time which is a fiction anyway. So now we see how the state is going to play out for us. This is what is really important.

    • Baby Blake says:

      One statement from an FBI agent that said three magic words ‘He did it’.

    • olballcoach says:

      LOL

    • olballcoach says:

      Ask Emerald – and while your at it – send him/her your “Foucault’s talk at Minnesota in 1972.”
      I think he wants to know about the nature of reality and truth too. Come on, please…..

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Actually I’d rather emerald read on Dave’s site.

  33. Missie Baker says:

    Okay, I may be on a video posting binge, but I’ve not seen the interview with the deceased Todashev’s friend by WESH TV from back in May. I’ve read many excerpts, but here is the interview, and he remarks several times Todashev spoke to TT a month before the Boston events. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yM_QA9Vkk4 This is worth saving, espec as Mr. Baker claimed several months ago he was writing a follow-up article on Todashev.

  34. Missie Baker says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoaz9x9zPc
    S–many thousands of post earlier, you mentioned seeing a video of a Watertown resident who displayed his chair with a bullet hole–was it this fellow? (we thought Kitz at the time, but this appears to be his roommate?) Just thought would pass along to you.

  35. Missie Baker says:

    Darn it, I want answers on this Watertown stuff–why were there two gun battles that night, and two explosions at both gun battles. How can this be?

    • emerald98 says:

      You tell me where two separate gun battles were, and explosions. Did that comes from a police scanner or online website?

    • olballcoach says:

      Scanner. But I’m not supposed to talk to you because we have all of our research on the blog and you wont go read it. So dont tell anyone I talked to you—wink wink

    • Missie Baker says:

      You need to go back and repost your former avatar–there was method to your madness on that one.

    • olballcoach says:

      funny thing it dropped off all by itself – and when I scroll back a few pages its there – so IDK
      Chill out ! Chill out ! I didnt do it. I didnt do it!!!!

    • Missie Baker says:

      get Jack back on line! And do not feed the Trolls…..

    • olballcoach says:

      there – ya happy?

    • Missie Baker says:

      Yep, hi Jack. Ready to go back in the tank?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Emerald – you seem rather concerned about where we obtain our information, and rightly so. We do not use ‘other websites’ where people may of made some sort of spurious claim that has no basis in fact – a totally wrong thing to do and completely at odds with the high standards we strive to achieve.

      If we see something on a website that cannot be verified, we don’t go near it. A waste of our time. We speculate about many things to try and make sense of it all, but when it comes to actually making a CLAIM about something and stating it as ‘fact’ or a ‘definite contradiction’ we are very, very thorough. We will always seek to confirm it elsewhere, by using the governments own evidence or several sources that are credible and refer to the same thing. We can spend weeks at a time trying to verify one tiny detail – if we cant verify it then we wont go near it.

      We would have no credibility what so ever if we just worked on the basis of what we saw elsewhere. So if someone here says ‘there were two separate gun battles’ as oppossed to ‘we THINK there were two separate gun battles’ you can rest assured that’s exactly what happened. Again, we welcome all questions as to how we formed that conclusion, but you must be prepared to go and check out what we say to verify it for yourself, also. Thanks.

    • olballcoach says:

      Missie – I have esplained this many times. They were caught in the middle of an interagency battle. Now the agency with the most to lose has to tie up the loose ends.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Why stage two gun battles then–how can that be explained away with interagency battle? I know all about the handlers and mixed signals, and confusion–and PatsyV says diversionary tactics…I really need a strongly worded post–a, b, c, d, = x, y, z. It doesn’t all come together–and your police scanner transcript on the main page blog suggests three suspects–two escaped in the car–was I reading that correctly?

    • olballcoach says:

      they were like mice on a sinking ship all trying like hell to get off the Titanic – nobody beleived they’d be sabotaged again!!

    • Missie Baker says:

      Write it, write it, write it, keep those fingers typing, (set to the soundtrack from rawhide….ah, Clint…before he became a gun crazy)

    • Missie Baker says:

      C: In re; 37 Melendy video PatsyV posted below, where second shootout occurs, there is a Mark Abbamonte, who was on Twitter that night (I copied) and who says lots of shots heard and three explosions. Just another confirmation, his telephone interview was aired many stations–only about 10 seconds of him remembering events. Said cruisers at both ends of his street. I’m thinking Jessica Thomas’s video of shots fired might have been Upland & Mt. Auburn as well, can’t find a street area that matches her video at Laurel & Dexter. Has this been in official narrative we can check details?

    • olballcoach says:

      Adams and Mt Auburn – the video above confirms it, the scanners confirm it and the BigHeadPhone guys video confirms it.

      This guys description confirms it.

      Now we have 4…..

      Another to keep in mind – especially since you like to knaw on these facts to the nub – think about the acoustics of that area – the time of night – that late night east coast moisture blanketing everything –

      shots fired anywhere in that neighborhood are going to heard for quite a ways and echo and echo and echo. I am going to rely on the scanners for the timing on the shooting.

      It was easy 8-10 minutes – it began with medium intensity on Dexter and Laurel – rose to high intensity – and ended quickly – probably 3-4 minutes – they guys were surprised and made a dash of it. Kitzenberg photo shows three of them.

      They obviously didnt have enough fire power to sustain it for more than a minute or so. A suspect is down and so is a police officer.

      the action lulled – for a minute or so – then the shots at Spruce can be heard and then they die down. Officer crash there car into a backyard.

      maybe 30 secs – the scanner is blaring again about the shootout on Adams, Hazel and Dexter. This lasts another 3 -4 minutes – the suspects are captured. Another police officer is down at this scene

      FBI and Diplomatic Corp on scene?
      This is up at 526 Mt Auburn and Adams
      where “podstava” is yelled

      For several minutes LE is grabbing anyone on the street – pajama boy on Upland, the bicycle guy on Melendy, the old Russian guy on Arsonal – the reporter who hired the cab driver to take

      him into the shooting zone – that still leaves a Naked Man unaccounted for – and the TT look alike you showed posted on one my pieces – and White T-shirt guy running down/through/to Cypress.

      That is your night at Watertown in a nutshell

    • otterdaughter says:

      several witness claimed it was a moving fire fight, and so assumed the shooting was occurring from moving cars.

    • olballcoach says:

      The shootout just burst into the open on the scanners – there is no record of guns blazing from cars all over Watertown that night – just three distinct place – three distinct times – and apparently distinct suspects. One requiring diplomatic representation that night.

    • otterdaughter says:

      YEP! the event was echoed by the planners in two places, with the tsarnaev brothers either (with the planners) acting out the third echo…or fighting for their lives. or…they could be completely off the res…who gets diplomatic crap? somebody in this kabuki theater had deeper ties…
      several i think.

    • olballcoach says:

      Im out – no more toothpicks to keep my eyes open.
      Cya

    • abbeysbooks says:

      A great documentary. A real fuggin theatre piece of performance art.

    • otterdaughter says:

      they have two people down on the sidewalk in podstava vid, right?
      – i always think it’s the agro cop saying podstava. sounds like a boston accent to me.
      – the cops empty his pockets, check his papers with a flashlight, and say “it’s him”. if memory serves, another cop says “that’s our suspect.” or something like. i have to give it a listen again.
      – i am sure that i hear a voice in the distance, at the very end of the tape yelling, “tam-air-laaahn!” besides jahar, who else is running around watertown screamimg tamerlan into the night sky?

      my friend is russian. she says it sounds like podstava with an accent, but she didn’t know enough about american accents to know which one it was.

    • olballcoach says:

      Considering the circumstances – I cant imagine that Boston cop would address that Russian dude with podstava – the other way around makes more sense – and I think I see him say as he is turning his head from away to the cop above him. He also asks for the cops to call his wife – and its in the same voice as podstava – just louder….and now add to that the diplomatic corp arrived with an FBI agent. Dont think they are coming to talk to the cop…?

    • otterdaughter says:

      why would tamerlan say podstava to the cops? why would “not-tamerlan” say podstava to the cops?

      if you will, what about this scenario: several alphabet agencies are having an integrated terrorism exercise involving a mock attack (a bombing, this year) with the respones of diff. agencies including 1st response, hospitals, fire, police, etc. being evaluted.
      of course, the fbi was one of the agencies involved. we know that.
      let’s say the fbi has the bomb responsibilities.( would they in reality? or would it be someone else? )
      in the scenario, the plan needs at least one terrorist; a bomber. rather than use an fbi guy, or a bomb squad guy they would rather use someone they don’t all know, an outside guy…but someone safe with the explosives. that would be a must. maybe a special services/cia type with explosives training or even expertise? tt, i think is the man for this job. (how jt ended up there, idk)
      an easy job: make some harmless pyrotechnic, drop it at assigned place, and go back home til friday then let the cops find you, have a little shootout. (a cia type who has infiltrated the fbi – i am certain there are plenty of those – would know the plan and could easily plant a real bomb right by the duds tt made)
      i think when tt was driving slowly, he was where he was supposed to be letting cops find him. i think the bros are still playing along. that’s why the casual, “chill out, chill out” at first. at some point after that they realized they were facing real bullets. then come the claims of innocence, once they realize the cops are for real. in the later (i think later, but i cannot work out the timeline for w-town) cell vids you can hear both brothers and they sound genuinely scared. so i think, at some point there they knew it was podstava.
      of course, for all i know, dt is still playing along, tt is alive, and the exercise continues.

    • olballcoach says:

      Ive argued the same/similar scenario to Missie since DHS went public about their plans to run the drill in July (ironic that is when the brothers where supposed to do the bombing but moved their plans up- huh?).
      I am not sure about the bros playing along though – Mama T is always the key for me. She was the one that got on the phone that night as soon as TT called her and told her the police where shooting at them. She called the embassies, Putin, the FBI, the white house – and I bet Ruslan.
      Cuz guess you jumps out in front of the cameras to deflect attention away from the agencies (calling Mamma T a religious fanatic) and him and throws the boys under the bus.
      Any theory on what happened that night has to make Momma T the center piece. Without her – there is no story, no conspiracy, this thing gets swept up nice and tidy and we know nothing.
      She is the key.

    • otterdaughter says:

      i see. what is the objection to the idea?

      i also am not sure about the bros playing along, but it is one line of thinking that i can’t discount based on the evidence. with all this contradictory evidence, i have multiple possibilities for many aspects of the case. there’s like two things i’m sure of and everything else is either likely, unlikely, or more than one idea holds equal weight. i think that’s the point of a disinformation campaign; keep you guessing. (is the consensus that this is a disinfo campaign?)
      can you expand on momma’s role? i think i know where you’re headed, and it’s intriguing.
      which reminds me, i did a cursory look-see, and people in nato, the state dept, etc. have diplomatic passports and can travel anywhere. the diplomatic corps are the people from/with the embassy. i guess it’s safe to assume the news anchor saw the dip. plates.

    • otterdaughter says:

      in the indictment, it says the bros went to a firing range on 3/20. what part of walk down sidewalk, drop package, leave requires any gun practice at all?
      it’s a good thing these guys are psychic, i guess! if not, it might look like they knew they were gonna have a shootout.

    • olballcoach says:

      yep

      okay – gotta stop messing around and finish this damn thing or at least get it to a point so everyone can use it.

    • Missie Baker says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL26scH1vvM
      This sounds like your Watertown 2 transcript I read on the blog–this is much clearer though, but same choppy back & forth.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      If the capture of the “terrorists” was as much a staged event as the explosions, then that would be correct.

    • olballcoach says:

      I copied this from a reply I gave you below – Here it is in a nutshell –

      Something to keep in mind – especially since you like to knaw on these facts to the nub – think about the acoustics of that area – the time of night – that late night east coast moisture blanketing everything –
      shots fired anywhere in that neighborhood are going to heard for quite a ways and echo and echo and echo. I am going to rely on the scanners for the timing on the shooting.

      It was sum total – easy 8-10 minutes –
      it began with medium intensity on Dexter and Laurel – rose to high intensity – and ended quickly – probably 3-4 minutes – the guys were surprised and made a dash of it. Kitzenberg photo shows three of them.

      They obviously didnt have enough fire power to sustain it for more than a minute or so. A suspect is down and so is a police officer. LE takes a full day or more before we hear DT ran over his brother. But eye witnesses Kitzenberg, Julakis, Lisa (radio) – either saw him run the barricade – or Lisa saw a LE run TT down – and Julakis says police told him they shot him – and not one officer but several over the course of the morning.

      the action lulled – for a minute or so – then the shots at Spruce can be heard and then they die down. Officers crash there car into a backyard.

      maybe 30 secs – the scanner is blaring again about the shootout on Adams, Hazel and Dexter. This lasts another 3 -4 minutes – the suspects are captured. Another police officer is down at this scene

      FBI and Diplomatic Corp on scene?
      This is up at 526 Mt Auburn and Adams
      where “podstava” is yelled

      For several minutes LE is grabbing anyone on the street – pajama boy on Upland, the bicycle guy on Melendy, the old Russian guy on Arsonal – the reporter who hired the cab driver to take him into the shooting zone –
      that still leaves a Naked Man unaccounted for – and the TT look alike you posted on one my pieces – and White T-shirt guy running down/through/to Cypress.

      That is your night at Watertown in a nutshell

  36. Missie Baker says:

    C: I just can’t walk away from the whole bogus boat confession (the wording of which isn’t a confession at all, at least not in the traditional sense–it’s a group of political statements, at best.)
    Crazy thought–if there was a third unnamed suspect at the Watertown shootout, crouched low beneath the front of the Mercedes, what if he ‘escaped’ in the Mercedes with DT? We’ve speculated he may have been shot and died in the car, and LE thought they had DT, only to belatedly be told wasn’t the right person. But what if two men ran from the Mercedes at Spruce & Lincoln, and both ended up in the boat..
    and DT wasn’t the one writing the sentiments, since can’t help noticing the wall with the bullets was opposite where DT was lying, wounded and near death (we’ve been told.)
    Noticed there were no signs of dusting for prints visible in any of the boat photos floating around. Maybe LE doesn’t do that any more? Just some wild speculation here because I’m working on a boring Xcel SS and keep taking sanity breaks.

    • Baby Blake says:

      You think that speculation was ‘sane’?

      Ha ha! it’s about as sane as what they’ve come up regarding that stupid ‘confessional note’. In fact I could probably buy that more! Why not?

      I see no evidence they dusted for prints there either, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. The note in the boat has been driving me nuts too. My issue is that I don’t believe DT was badly injured when he climbed into that boat. Hennerberry noted that the strap was cut but contrary to early media reports there was NO blood on the outside at all. He went to his garage to fetch a leader so he could look inside and spots DT lying there. This means DT climbed up the side of that boat and hauled himself over the edge. There was no ladder there available to him at the time.It’s a fair height. No blood on the outside of the white boat?

      Look at his injuries, where he was laid in the boat and the high concentration of gunfire aimed at that specific area. His legs and head poked out either side of that electrical box, and he flailed his arms around a bit. It has always been my contention that he suffered the vast majority of those injuries whist under fire in the boat.

      And they knew that. They knew the state he was in when he eventually climbed out. But he was alive. Panic sets in. How are we explaining this one guys?

      ‘He was firing form the boat’ and ‘we think he tried to kill himself – hence he was armed’.

      Wasn’t though was he?

    • Missie Baker says:

      Seems simple enough to “confirm”–were all his sustained injuries in his extremities? (legs, arms, head?) If he also had torso wounds, which are easier to target, then possibly not. But his torso was protected by the white box (might have been a motor under there), which would be opposite of what one might see if Watertown cops were firing wildly (as we know they were.)
      I’ve also listened to the Watertown shootout tapes, on youtube, and was struck (!) by how few shots I was hearing…anyone else notice this? PV? Coach? Time to lock me up, possibly?

    • olballcoach says:

      there are several tapes on youtube looking out of peoples windows and it sounds pretty intense on you tube anyway.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Yeah, but is that when they are making their escape? The Indictment suggests the shooting lasted about 7 minutes, PV has said 3+ minutes (think she is working from the Kitzenberg timings, or possibly something else)–do we have anything that is a “steady” round of gunfire going off? I’m a bit troubled by this, perhaps you can help sort it out? Because why was TT firing? He knew he was ‘outgunned’ or about to be…I’m so puzzled–why not jump back in the car and take off….was he laying down cover for someone….you get my drift?

    • olballcoach says:

      PatsyV provided a youtube recording from the next street over – guy at 37 Melendy – it picks up in the middle of rapid shots for several minutes – a lull, and then starts up again, lull, start up and ends with it going strong . That tape is 6:30+ minutes long. Plus the guy taping is heard on air giving the time and its well into – if not the end of Dexter & Laurel. Have to ask her abou it.
      All in all – I would say that tape – plus the scanners put that on going, running battle at 7-10 minutes – depending on when he picks up the D&L battle.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Link please when you have time. Would like to listen for distinct shots…because standard magazine for Ruger is 15 or 10 in CA, I believe, Some aftermarkets take it higher, but can cause jams–how many mags could one buy or obtain for the Ruger without raising eyebrows–don’t know, can you buy say 5000 bullets and no one raises an eyebrow? Are there limitations on bullets (registration, etc.) same as handguns? Would the prosecution have searched this evidence as well? I’m trying to understand “did they run out of bullets, why did TT supposedly charge Pugilese, was it defensive firing or aggressor firing?” etc. What I heard of Julakis’ sounded anemic to me….

    • olballcoach says:

      Julakis – maybe – his first few minutes are weak but consider where he was –
      What perked my ears up
      1) he never once mentions in three interviews I have heard – nor is he asked either – whether DT ran over TT. I have looked at the angle from MJ’s houe to where approximately TT was down on the ground. Its a straight view directly across the corner houses front yard – the fence is chain link – so you can see right on through.to the houses on the other side of the street.
      and this matches Kitzenbergs account that the Blacke Mercedes just drove through the cars – never not once does he mention DT running TT over.
      2) that he spoke with officers all night and they told him “they” shot him – “they” killed them – they mocked him as he lay their dying.

    • Missie Baker says:

      “The U.S. is killing our innocent civilians.”
      “F*** America”
      I wonder.

    • olballcoach says:

      and that refers to – I know I am supposed to know this….

    • Baby Blake says:

      Note in the boat.

    • olballcoach says:

      I am sorry but your avatar is killing me LOLOL – What in the hell is that thing?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Beaker from the muppets. What’s so funny about him?

    • olballcoach says:

      anyway – thats a long reach to connect what was written in the boat to Tamerlan – cuz I dont think he ran over him – and I dont think at that time he would have known whether his brother was alive or not….

    • Baby Blake says:

      No – what about if he saw them shoot him?

    • olballcoach says:

      Crikey! I get it.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Doesn’t Beaker have a lot of experiments blow up on him? He never gives up, but I’m thinking there’s always a lot of smoke in his lab…

    • Baby Blake says:

      Yes. I am actually Beaker.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Ahhh, it all becomes rather murkier, er, I mean clear now….

    • olballcoach says:

      Its been a while I guess – I dont remember him and when I first saw that pen and paper I thought how cool – how suave – and then this thing showed – looking all ruthless to me LOLOLOL

    • olballcoach says:

      on the other hand – thats a pretty piercing thing to say if you have evidence – if you have experience – if you know something that has just become a liability…..
      Okay Missie – I can see that.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Yes – I sense an angle. Did he think he’d just been rolled over?

    • olballcoach says:

      IDK – a 19 year old? That’s a sophisticated concept to a kid. He knows stuff about his Uncle – he knows stuff about his brother – he knows stuff – how deeply?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Hmm. He also said ‘now we don’t like killing innocent people but…’ That bit doesn’t fit does it?

    • Missie Baker says:

      NOthing fits. In this instance, he had just been in a gun fight with Watertown LE.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I wonder if they mocked Miriam Carey as she lay there dying. Or was she killed so fast that she couldn’t hear them?

    • otterdaughter says:

      how did they mock him?

    • olballcoach says:

      Julakis doesnt go into detail just say the officer said they mocked him as he lay there dying – nothing furthe….

    • patsysvodka says:

      I found this video on the Jimmysllama site. It’s local news positioned around Adams/mt. auburn. starts at 1:21am live on the scene. pretty interesting. Lots of footage of brown striped sweatpants guy at Upland. at 10:00 they report that when they arrived they thought they smelled evidence of explosives having been set off. Not a mention of any shooting/explosives further away at dex/laurel in this report.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVC3d2Uw3cQ

    • olballcoach says:

      Hey PatsyV – can you post that link again of the guy at 37 Melendy – Missie wants to hear it and I am swamped right now –
      thanks for the above I will listen tonight.

    • olballcoach says:

      thank you
      there it is Missie

    • Missie Baker says:

      PV’s video at 37 Melendy is ….what the heck is it? 37 Melendy is Mt Auburn & Upland, too far to hear clearly what is happening at 61 Laurel–several blocks away. Yet I hear at least 10 instances of sustained gunfire, and probably at least one loud explosion at the end, plus one smaller explosion at the beginning….
      Coach–is this meant to be sounds of gunfire from Laurel & Dexter or not? PV–if you are still around?
      Seems too far, with all the trees and houses inbetween, to hear this much clarity…
      Not like I’ve fired a gun at 1Am on deserted street, though…..
      And if it is Upland & Mt. Auburn, heck of a gun battle LE has NEVER mentioned to Media, or told us about–who was it?
      Oh my, do not understand.

    • patsysvodka says:

      it’s not laurel and dexter. that was over by the time this video starts (about 1250 -51am) This is the activity around adams/mt auburn and/or upland/mt auburn

    • Missie Baker says:

      PV–just confirming. So, why are we hearing gunfire and explosions (at least 2 very distinctive sounds…..) Is there a theory out there on this “mirror” incident? As I’ve said, Watertown has never made much sense to me and what I understood to have happened.
      LE = just a wild coincidence?

    • patsysvodka says:

      The 2nd incident comes off as highly diversionary to me. You can hear on the scanners – the cops arriving are dealing with mt auburn/adams/upland stuff instead of finding DT with a standard dog/foot search of the neighborhood. DT is able get away and hide undetected. Was this on purpose?

      The lockdown/shelter in place thing the next day has always seemed to be set up on purpose to me. It was like watching theater complete with cheering crowds and flags at the conclusion. Add in the fact that residents of Franklin st (where the boat was) report no searches on their street. highly suspicious.

      They wanted the lockdown/shelter in place to happen and they probably wanted DT to die in that boat.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Interesting. Was Henneberry an innocent in this, then? I believe wanting DT to die in the boat–that much seems absolutely indisputable.

    • patsysvodka says:

      yes I think he was. They underestimated the love between a man and his boat.

    • Missie Baker says:

      The love between a man and his boat? (had to read your post several times LOL) Meaning Henneberry could have said nothing, and just left DT to die in the boat (assuming he had life-threatening injuries at that time) or Henneberry would not have been paying careful attention to the cut strap. Either way, do you believe DT was in the boat 17 hours, or was he slipped in at some point, and that is why Franklin was not searched–370 some yards from Spruce & Lincoln. Just reread Coach’s transcript on Watertown II on blog–left me with a lot of unanswered questions. Sigh.

    • olballcoach says:

      especially the way they organized that search!!! – they were to go out in 2 block radious and then 4 and then 6 and then 8 —
      Why on earth did they alter that search plan without a word of it on the air.
      I think I later read something about they searched the sheds on the same property – but the boat is never mentioned.

    • patsysvodka says:

      I think he was so into that boat that he noticed something askew on it and went to check it asap. He called 911 right away, which is what I would expect someone uninvolved to do.

      I saw a tv interview with a local Watertown resident who found blood behind a house or business somewhere between the abandoned mercedes and the boat. DT may have hung out there for a while, but I’m thinking he pretty much went straight for a safe hiding place right away. Stumbled onto the boat, got inside and waited. I don’t think it is outside the realm of possibility that someone knew he went into the boat. There’s a reason that street was not searched.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Now that is fascinating–you have really dug into the video stuff on Watertown–I had wondered about blood trails before now. But if DT did hang around Watertown streets before finding the boat, then I do understand why you have been making the assertions Franklin was purposely not searched.
      Okay. Certainly ties into Coach’s thinking/theories about various agencies involved.

    • olballcoach says:

      Not exactly diversionary….there is a third incident in between Adams/Mt Auburn and Dexter/Laurel and that is 94 Spruce
      Officer arrived on scene in a patrol car and where immediately his with gun fire – they yell shots fired – shots fired – need long guns -and more – then they say driving into backyard –
      They report to dispatch they are okay and they drove into a backyard to avoid fire?
      Now here is where I get confused
      Dispatch tells them to stay put and wait for back up – the only back up is some huffing and puffing Boston cop telling everyone he is on his way. At about the same time as he arrives another patrol car arrives and they come up to the suspect vehicle (and thats another thing – how many times do these guys describe the suspect vehicle -0- thats how many)
      anyway everyone is ordered back – power down cell phones – etc., until the bomb squad arrives.

    • patsysvodka says:

      I can never quite figure out the Spruce st. incident. on the cambridge scanner I hear “they fled the car” which implies suspects fled the car, not police. Then someone says they were throwing sticks of dynamite and another guy says something like “I know that’s what they were saying” It seems like they may be talking about the incident at dexter/laurel to me. Whatever happened here it gets way less attention than the stuff at mt auburn/upland/adams.

    • olballcoach says:

      I thought the same thing for a while – but taken altogether – the crash into the backyard was unique to Spruce chatter and it followed the “being shot at call” – cant get around it. What might be duplicate or splicing and editing is the repeated requests for long guns at Spruce. They sound almost the same as the ones at Adams and the Dexter….It sounds like the same guy in all instances with that same Bostonian drawl…..

    • Missie Baker says:

      If you two can’t figure it out, BB and I haven’t a hope in hell of detangling the mess.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I think you are right.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      What if their main problem was finding terrorists” to hang a staged set of explosions on. Kill them and that turns the staged into the “REAL.”

    • olballcoach says:

      wow wow – just read this – sorry should have spoke up sooner – The Melendy vid states the action started at 12:50 am ?
      thats a 6:30 video PV – thats pushing the entire shootout from Dexter and Laurel to Spruce to Adams/Hazel/Dexter to +10 minutes….
      I dont have enough time stamped scanner reporting to cover that – 8 minutes maybe – 9 is really pushing what we don’t hear at the beginning or end on the video – 10 mins + there is no record of that?
      I tried to put the timeing into perspective for Missie above – can you give it a look see and make suggestions?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I think no one was ever supposed to get this close to all of it to understand or not understand. They did not expect this kind of observation. “An object does not exist until and unless it is observed.” – William Burroughs

    • Missie Baker says:

      PV: thank you VM!

    • Missie Baker says:

      PV, let me amend that, think I might owe you….this certainly seems like a genuine tape? Because of the blue lights in the background? Do you agree?

    • patsysvodka says:

      yes. lots of police (blue lights) he mentions that it is 12:55am – that would jive with scanners. here’s a map of where he is in location to upland/mt auburn. everything in this video makes sense that it’s genuine.

    • olballcoach says:

      FBI and Diplomatic Corp on scene?
      This is up at 526 Mt Auburn and Adams
      where “podstava” is yelled…You can see the cameraman is trying to get to the corner so he can look down Adams – Drat – no sound but both the cameraman and the reporter report gun smoke in the air – shots fired and smoke.
      So third confirmation that Adams and Mt Auburn happened.
      That is where the second officer went down too and funny how the reporters feed got shut down as went to look inside

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Or someone is trying desperately to make sure that Adams and Mt. Auburn is perceived as happened.

    • otterdaughter says:

      is this the vid with the diplomatic corps?
      gotta watch! looking forever!

    • olballcoach says:

      its just a brief quip at the end – but it seemed jilted – I picked up something not sure.

    • otterdaughter says:

      thank you so much! i watched this broadcast, and it was impossible to find for a while too. until people started re-posting it. i’m saving it this time!!

      pretty important, i think.

      who gets a diplomatic corps?

    • olballcoach says:

      Podstava!!
      Diplomatic immunity is for state department workers, maybe all reps of a foreign gov –
      not sure – Good question.

    • otterdaughter says:

      and people from NATO, and a lot from turkey…i can’t remember why. something to do with some agreement. and saudis.

    • olballcoach says:

      Hey PatsyV – what do you make of that reporters awkward reference to the FBI and a rep from the diplomatic corp arriving on the scene – this is where “podstava” was yelled.

    • patsysvodka says:

      Definitely saw FBI there. Diplomatic corp’s presence is really interesting.

      I wonder how soon local news found out and reported about the shootout earlier at D/L. It’s amazing how fast MSM and local media got on board with only reporting about the shootout and explosions involving the brothers.

      The “Lone Wolf” meme got started right away. I guess pushing the narrative of one gun battle between the cops and brothers supports that. Multiple sites with multiple people does not.

    • indi says:

      Have You guys read this article? Maybe it helps to rebuild what happened in Watertown in some way?

      http://dailyoftheday.com/gunshots-and-explosions-in-watertown-ma-suspects-confirmed-to-be-boston-marathon-bombers/

    • olballcoach says:

      really nice summary…very thorough.

    • olballcoach says:

      PV want to confirm also – do recall around say 1:15 am or so –
      1) The announcement on air of the arrival of the FBI….and then immediately following: the pull back of “all units not engage in an arrest to the Armenian Church – where they were setting up a CP
      and
      2) the call to go to Channel 1 – at the time I didnt know what that meant – but the guys on REDDIT really complained about that being an encryptian channel…
      What followed was a pretty standard stuff about conducting the search and then the occassional detention of someone ie., the old guy at Arsenal and so on….
      Reason I ask is I am trying to tie time that with the video…

    • patsysvodka says:

      They go to channel 1 at 1:19am (29:00) in this scanner.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmTjbvTz-g&list=PLSf5S1DvDTwg2p8_RLVK6Ipma9TaJZZCH&index=6

      At 1:15am (25:00) we hear first contact with the soon to be Naked guy. he’s pulled over in a car at 52 Dexter AVE (Dexter/Nichols)He may be the reason they are going to an encrypted channel.

    • public_servant_watch says:

      This what I saw going on the night of the event and the man in this video soon becomes the naked man which means BOTH suspects (brothers) were in custody before the big Watertown shootout.

      I can’t explain the deceptive tactics but I was awake for the entire event and this man who looks just like Tamerlan was in custody.

      There is another video out there that a resident of the town produced that shows when they first detain this suspect and toward the end you can hear what sounds like Jahar yelling Tamerlan and it appears they are being separated. I have no idea if this sound effect is genuine or fabricated but in this next video the reporter states they have two suspects in custody. The man in the resident’s video is the same man with the same clothing on the ground.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yORgAw2ca2w

      I do not know how this other man with darker skin emerged where people claim him as being the naked man but I know what I watched and that the man they put into the vehicle naked has the same features and muscle structure as Tamerlan; the blue light mask the facial hair but the shadow of it is clear in the black and white picture.

      I included Jahar in the picture I am about to post only because as I stated months ago, that it is more than obvious this ATM run was at a time different than what was reported to us and it took well over 2 days for the authorities to release the picture of Jahar at the ATM to the media. It is more than obvious that in this picture Jahar has Tam’s hat photo shopped onto his head.
      Hit the link directly instead of the picture to get a larger picture.
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWaUv6HCYAAkJgG.png:large

      If anyone has any question as to what happened in Watertown the LIARS known as the FBI have the answer so that will probably be a mystery until we get all tax supported criminals behind bars and likely still thereafter!

      You cannot have suspects in custody and still the events that were reported to have occurred that night!! DECEPTION!

    • patsysvodka says:

      3 min 38 sec from first “shots fired” to “he’s coming at us” (DT in the Mercedes). Timed it from the Watertown scanner. The gunfire is pretty sporadic during the shootout. There is a hail of gunfire at the end of it from arriving PD’s when DT drives thru the intersection of Dexter/Laurel.

    • Missie Baker says:

      PV: Thanks, that what I thought I remembered you writing. (That sound you hear is gnashing teeth….)Kitz has brothers front of Mercedes 12:46:11 and states he heard shots earlier while at his computer and ran upstairs, so unless this is a still from those few seconds of Kitz’s video, this photo suggests at least 30 secs before his first 12:46:11 am photo, he heard shots. Mr. Kitz’s last photo shows DT charging the cruisers about 40 yards down Laurel at 12:50:57 The math doesn’t line up with 3.5 minutes on the Watertown scanner. The Indictment gives the shootout a 7 minute timeline. But I totally agree re: the sporadic nature of what we have been able to hear–maybe more in the nature of ‘warning’ shots than a fierce gunbattle (not that I’d have a clue what is meant by that term in real life?) We also
      have O’Donnell’s interview with Pugliese he was about 25′ away in a backyard, firing at the ground by the Mercedes to make bullets ricochet upwards when TT “charged” him and experienced gun failure, threw the gun at him, and ran back towards the cruisers–which means he wasn’t firing at the cruisers in a suicidal move, which is sorta what Kitz suggests… But 3.5 versus 7 minutes in a gun battle might be an eternity and in any event is a larger discrepancy than I anticipated or even understand, TBH. And all because who fired first seems important…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I have reached the point where I don’t believe anything any of them say, video, photograph, or write.

    • otterdaughter says:

      i believe the opposite of what they say.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      That’s what Ayn Rand used to say. I think it is more complicated than that now.

    • patsysvodka says:

      the indictment states specifically 12:43am as the start time of the shootout. this matches the cambridge scanner which is time synced. I remember sgt MacLellan stating the shooting lasted about 3-4 mins and also 7 minutes in the same interview. maybe that is where the confusion lies. Kitzenberg’s time stamp on his iphone could be off. My ipad and my iphone are two minutes apart from each other time wise for some reason.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Exactly. They were all to the extremities and his torso never suffered a scratch.

    • Missie Baker says:

      That seems pretty D conclusive, NIP? or something bigger?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Up to you. I’ll write whatever you say.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      WTF did you just say? Have you been here on the Boston Bombing? http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

    • Missie Baker says:

      Outline it first, maybe, then you can tell how much data you have and/or want to post? Just a suggestion.

    • olballcoach says:

      flak jacket? or explosive vest?

    • Missie Baker says:

      ???too cryptic for me, what do you mean?

    • Missie Baker says:

      The stringbean was wearing a gray hoodie…where to hide a flak jacket? or vest? Confused….

    • Baby Blake says:

      And we saw him lift his top.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I didn’t call emerald out until s/he came after me. I did not respond to content. In any comment there is the “intent” of the comment and the “content” of the comment. Respond to content with a troll and you took the bait. Besides ol coach goes after me while he placates the troll who draws him out because he is susceptible. S/he’s done.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      So since he pulled up his jacket to show he was naked underneath – no bomb, guns, etc – he was aware of what they were thinking. Once some of them not in on this saw his naked chest they must have done a mental u turn for a second there and that was all that was needed to spare him. They didn’t want to kill him in front of potential whistle-blowers. Now after Miriam Carey they don’t give a fug.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Maybe they were afraid they would set a bomb off strapped to him.

    • Baby Blake says:

      No – that would mean they DELIBERATLY shot him all those times, as demonstrated by the fact they took caution to only go for the extremities.
      And they’re not about to admit that they DELIBERATELY shot him any time soon….

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Yes. They needed a dead killer and they didn’t get one so now he is held in solitary “as if” he were dead. God forbid he might say something they didn’t want him to say.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Maybe because he was protected by the structure of the boat, they only got his extremities. But then said they did it on purpose to justify the way they shot him yet didn’t kill him as planned.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Considering the apparent staging of the bombing, why couldn’t the boat scene have been staged too. Or did they want to kill him to have 2 dead ones to prove it was all real. In Simulated Reality you can’t know.

    • Guest says:

      Aww Beaker! He’s my favourite Muppet – well, after Animal and Gonzo that is.

    • olballcoach says:

      you did get a look at that great pik of the boat – right?

    • Missie Baker says:

      Yes, and thank you. Conclusive it’s not visible other than where bullet holes are clustered, I believe. Here’s the one from Renny, I believe, changed to B/W, deblurred, enlarged, see inside red square, something dark. not sure.

    • olballcoach says:

      try this – I blew it up – filtered out mid towns and added some light

    • Missie Baker says:

      Possibly just some kind of commemorative plating, but there is definitely something dark against that lighter colored strip at the top beneath the gunwale.

    • Baby Blake says:

      We know they wee talking about ‘writing in the boat’ pretty early on although it was totally vague. What’s to say they left that piece intact, then dissected when they got it to the hangar?

    • Missie Baker says:

      If I thought I was dying I’d be writing goodbye notes to Mom, Dad, sisters, SO. Any manifesto type statements that don’t actually take responsibility for the Boston Marathon Bombings would be last on the list. (or at least that is DT’s “boat confession” language that has been released to date, which kinda begs the question.)
      I’m speculating the note in the boat wasn’t revealed any earlier because it was not a strong confession statement. When it was released, it went out through their safest channel, their most believable, trustworthy and carefully prepped spokesperson, who knew how to present the material just right–as a damning confession, and shaped the wording so none would question it–remember, we were told it was what DT had told interrogators as part of the bedside confession. It’s a neat sleight of hand, if you think about it. And for listening ears, I’ve already stated numerous times — of course there is boat writing that Defense must address–that was impetus for my post in the first place.
      EDIT: Once again, what counted here was the public perception and acceptance of DT’s guilt, and the story–not what was in the actual writing on the sides of the boat.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Yes. Always. Just like Wal-Mart.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      They have no need to be precise. If you had any confession you would chain saw the sucker out of the boat and via “chain of custody” get it in the lab for evidence, trace, etc.

    • emerald98 says:

      Why don’t you talk with the guy that wrote this story on this website, the guy that interviewed people on Laurel street made it clear who was there, they watched them. There was no crouching third person – and that photo you may be referring to doesn’t make out a person. Watch the video, as Tamerlan jumps out of SUV and helps Jahar light the bomb, that was what was going on in that little space. I think it’s speculative to believe there was no dusting of prints or anything else, because those photos of that boat were not actual ongoing footage to capture entire investigation of that boat. I have already said my say on the confession. He was on that boat we believe for 18 hours, I don’t think it’s unheard of to write a note, especially if you think things won’t turn out well – like his brother. A last message to the world. Beside, there might be more to that note that is not being said. It’s very plausible that he wrote it – to keep stating this confession over and over in legal court docs makes little since if it does not exist – and forensics and handwriting analysis can determine he was the writer. There are a lot of stories out there and people writing these blogs as though their info comes from valid and factual info, and it’s to put a story or a theory together, and show proof of his innocence with this type of deduction of reasoning. Just like one supporter said ” he is too nice to be a terrorist?” You cannot approach a case this way or go into with a firm believe that is he is either guilty or innocent if you are truly to make a case. Not pieces fit perfectly, but unless you are privy to the files and evidence they won’t. Emotions are big motivator to support him, and you would be surprised to how much they plays on the way people see this case. Crime has no age, looks or personality. All people of all races and ages, can and do commit horrific crimes.

    • olballcoach says:

      okay last one – and then I am out. Johar was left handed – his forearm and hand was exploded into 27 pieces – no way he can write – he probably will never write with his left hand again – he is barely consiouse in the boat. H
      You go look at the picture and tell me there isnt two legs, a torso and someone’s hand on the bumper trying pull himself up.
      And how on earth – given the instructions by the captains to proceed with a search in a radius of 2 block increments – 4, 6, 8 – this was repeated twice at 1:15 am on the scanners – before they went to encryptian channels – how on earth did they miss that boat – its less than 2 blocks away. Are they that incompetent?
      What we keep trying to tell you son – is that we have as much information as is available to you and the mailman – we are using LE’s own evidence and holding it up and saying – hey what that – hey what about this – this dont make sense and neither does that –
      thats all we have – all of us dont live 1000 within Boston – and to go and talk to potential witnesses and put that on a public site? comeone man?

    • Baby Blake says:

      For a start no one is suggesting there wasn’t a gun battle in Watertown. Quite the opposite in fact. Russ went and interviewed residents months ago and asked them what they saw – they told him. That’s fine.

      But what people think they see and what they actually see are two different things and you just fell into the exact same trap I’m afraid. You watched a video and saw TT and DT ‘lighting a bomb’. Some residents saw that with their own eyes too.

      No you didn’t, and neither did they.

      I have experience with explosives (something that got me interested in this case within the first 24 hs – I was trying to form a consensus with others based on the footage of the explosions as to what the bombs were actually constructed from C4/black powder/fertiliser etc) and I can tell you with absolute certainty it is IMPOSSIBLE to ‘light’ a pressure cooker bomb. You need a timer or a detonator – nothing else will do it. So what you thought you saw (and the witnesses on the night too) was formed because that’s what you assumed they were doing – ‘lighting a bomb’.

      If you don’t believe me, go and research it yourself. Again, we NOT ‘Jahar’ supporters. There are so many things not right and we are figuring them out – that’s it.

      If you are going to hang around some I’d like your opinion on the Todeshev killing. What do you think happened there?

    • olballcoach says:

      You are going to get in trouble!

    • Baby Blake says:

      I couldn’t help it. You did the same! The temptation was just too great……
      Emerald seems curious.

      Emerald I’m not joking – this info is available to you if you want to access it.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      She’s auditioning for the “troll” part in a new movie. She has to be convincing.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I hear you ABs. Argggg! Sometimes I just cant help myself!
      But I hear you, I really do.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Beautifully done blog post on the FBI. Layout, design, fonts, all perfect. Good magnificent work.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Aw thanks Ab’s. I followed your instructions though.

  37. Missie Baker says:

    Tsarnaev, 20, of Cambridge was indicted by a county grand jury in June in the murder of Officer Sean Collier on April 18. He also faces a variety of other charges, including armed assault with intent to murder for allegedly attacking Watertown police officers in a shootout in the early morning hours of April 19, a few hours after Collier’s murder. “It is the intention of the Middlesex District Attorney that the defendant stand trial for these charges in Middlesex County,” District Attorney Marian T. Ryan’s office said in a statement. – See more at: http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/10/07/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-alleged-marathon-bomber-should-arraigned-middlesex-county-slaying-prosecutors-say/KyCnwfy7xUEnwFAWuWAAII/story.html#sthash.KOPI3hCp.dpuf

    No doubt you all knew about this Mass indictment (BB–do we have a copy of this doc on the blog? I must have missed it.) I was just curious about the charge for attacking the Watertown police officers–because that seems to be up for debate–a sort of “who started it”, based on what we’ve been reviewing?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Is this the state indictment? It’s not on the blog so I’ll get it up there now. At last – work!!

  38. Missie Baker says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/us/massachusetts-attorney-general-joins-the-race-for-governor.html?_r=0
    Did we know that Deval Patrick was stepping down as Governor? Is there any high profile individual left? C–you did a roll call awhile back.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Is this what’s known as a full house, or a Grand Slam ? Or is it ‘Last Man Standing’ ?

    • Missie Baker says:

      Maybe all of the above–I believe Mayor Tennino is still kicking, though.

    • Guest says:

      …for now…

    • Baby Blake says:

      I want an avatar! How do I load one up so it appears like yours M?

    • Missie Baker says:

      click on disqus, click on your “blank” square avatar in the upper right corner, on drop down menu, click on “setting”, on left of “my account” box that opens, you will see ‘Avatar’ Click on it and load it up.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You know missy fixing the commenting problem is far more important than avatars. Or don’t you think so?

    • olballcoach says:

      He is not running for gov or pres – but he still has a large substantial PAC this is now being headed up by his former Campaign manager/Chief of Staff –
      Interesting – but he cant possibly think he has a shot at VP – especially if Hillary is running – (which it certainly looks to be the case) or Biden. Not likely two North east coasters on the same ticket.
      The only one left is the mayor – but his was mostly a ceremonial – inspirational role…

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      No doubt ‘an inspiration to us all’ as the saying goes.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Right – in all the malarkey going on with our new friend, I have completely lost what we were all supposed to be working on!
      So it worked to a certain extent….

      Can someone please fill me in on what we’re all doing and direct me to some actual WORK please rather than endless point scoring?

      I’m ready to get cracking again. What are we doing folks, and does anyone need any help with anything specifically?

    • olballcoach says:

      Scour the net for piks – must find our man DM at the scene – wheeling in giant black bags and dropping seven of them off at the finish line, the Lennox, the Mandarin, the Forum, JFK, the one in the alley way and I know there is another one???

    • Missie Baker says:

      That’s been bothering me too with your DM investigation–how to explain what else happened that day? If he is the “answer”–what was the question? KWIM?

    • olballcoach says:

      I have fumbled around with this – and honestly – the dude is locked up for babbling to his ghosts – My speculation is – that he was a weak link to begin with and “they” had to know it – whatever his involvement was – pushed him over the edge, hence the cryptic statements and his long term vacation. If we can positively id him there – he has to be investigated given the goods he had stuffed in his closet and presumably purchased before the BMB.

    • Missie Baker says:

      I see.

      EDIT: maybe you are looking in the wrong place? Wasn’t he throwing at fit at Occupy-something? He likes the limelight? Did you search Site One as well? Just a thought.

      EDIT: Look around Jeff maybe?

    • olballcoach says:

      LE has more than likely got this information – its just forcing them to acknowledge it…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I hate to say this but I don’t think they care anymore. Shooting Miriam Carey in broad daylight in front of tourist witnesses showed an absolute disregard for anything that might be said about them. They wanted her dead too.

    • olballcoach says:

      Mrs Peel and I said the same to each other last night – so that is where I have moved to.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      It was morning for me!
      Found only one more picture with DMaybe at site 2 – tiny, lower head not showing, same time frame as the other ones…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Dzokhar has been set up for a patsy. He is so wounded and driven mad now it will be easy.

    • Baby Blake says:

      In the land of the terminally confused here – like my new avatar. KWIM?
      No idea what that is!

    • Missie Baker says:

      ????no new avatar appearing yet…
      KWIM = know what I mean

    • Baby Blake says:

      Refresh your page and the avatar will appear – I can see it.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Right. Will do. It’s been a while since I’ve trawled for forum pics. Hopefully there are some new ones out there.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Please please go to Dave’s site and look at the mess of them after the bombing, errrr smokescreen? http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

    • abbeysbooks says:

      After Dave’s analysis I don’t think there were any backpacks stuffed with anything. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

    • otterdaughter says:

      if you’re interested in site 1 this video has multiple views:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG3TxK8XIOg

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I watched some. From the Boston Globe. What interested me was at the beginning the smoke billowed up from smack in front of the building. Not from a backpack “left by the fence” to amputate 50 people or so and send legs flying everywhere. I also noticed the runners took a look and kept on running. Let’s not let anything get in the way of my time in this race eh. Nice slo mo stuff and who knows how much editing. Check out Dave’s site. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

    • otterdaughter says:

      i am familiar

    • otterdaughter says:

      but the sychronization implies all events in real time. all the events match each other. 3 tapes match each other; that’s pretty reliable – time wise. probly tons of shopping tho.

    • olballcoach says:

      That bugger went straight up. you can stop start it (because of the slow motion) at .27 and watch the orange ball of flame lift out of the center of that crowd. In fact, in comparing it to the blast at site 2 this one is almost completely vertical whereas the other – lying on its side blew out to the street and back to the Forum. This one probably lost a lot of shrapnel, caused by the upwards thrust up and out, to the building and windows directly behind. That explains why so much damage up the side of that building. It probably lost a lot of that exploded directly into the ground. IIMO this one could have been a lot, lot worse – its obvious there was 5x or 10x more people in that area than packed into that little rut in front of the Forum.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      He needed only two giant black backs, though – the other ones could have been done by people who were hired to drop explosives per drill scenario…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I told you all so. ol coach said I was a Sunday School teach tho and wouldn’t pay attention. That is exactly what s/he wanted to do. Throw you all off the track. I’ve been to boot camp on this. I can’t stop them when someone else – whose name I won’t mention – encourages them. A troll only needs ONE. One sucker.

    • olballcoach says:

      Your mixing apples and pickup trucks sweetpea…He/she is still young and immature – pretty easy to see once you engage him/her – he/she can be rehabilitated with enough experience and information. That is the olCoach in me trying to help a lost soul. Everyone else says let it go – so okay I have enough to do anyway…..

      You on the otherhand know better than to lecture your easy going partners hear on this effort and that is what I called out and that is all I called out. Since then you have been back to your informative and at times entertaining self. That tells me you understood and we are all better now.

      Simulated hugs and pats

      C

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I’m lecturing now but casting it funny. I still mean it tho. Today’s students need to be entertained because they have no intrinsic motivation so it is a terrible habit I have taken up.

      But I see you have already caught on about this troll. That’s two now unless this is the same one with a different ID which might be the case as her/his disqus profile shows only a few comments in a variety of places. I did say last time with “guest” that a dead giveaway was few other sites, so that has been remedied. This means we are not dealing with a sophisticated troll, like a professional one. But maybe s/he is auditioning? I’ll try to remember to keep you giggling even when you annoy me.

  39. Missie Baker says:

    Interesting brief article about Fed District Court judgeship vacancies in Mass and system impacts. http://dacierstake.bbablogs.org/2013/10/09/daciers-take-on-federal-judicial-nominations-for-massachusetts/

    “Nobody benefits from having three unfilled judicial positions at a time when there is work to be done. Even the most cursory reading of news accounts over the past year suggests that the federal courts in Massachusetts have been extremely busy with both high profile criminal cases and extremely complex civil cases. There are some additional high profile criminal trials that will be coming soon, putting further strain on the District of Massachusetts. This will have an impact on all litigants.”

    • Baby Blake says:

      I’m not surprised. Ask our new friend. He doesn’t believe that authorities would lie to him. I’d imagine the ‘understanding’ would be that he lied about the ‘foiled 54 terror plots’ to ‘protect’ us in some way. Always working for our own interests, that bunch. They deserve a medal for their genuine public service…….

  40. Missie Baker says:

    Yes, Twitter is an amazing beast. I sent out a request early evening yesterday to several random (4?) accounts that share our interest, and Twitter acted like a “calling tree” (women have been using these more than men, I believe.) There is an entire, world-wide (apparently) community that is seeking answers, is committed, and shares information like a thousands-headed intelligent beast. It’s as if widely dispersed but compatible human brains have become a virtual mammoth circuit board (I guess.) I’m grateful to all the Twitter readers who have responded, retweeted, and are welcoming us into their twitter families. I’ve used twitter in limited ways for my other writing, but the groups following this case span amazingly disparate backgrounds, continents, interests, etc. It’s both gratifying and fascinating. It’s difficult to experience this unexpected, connective tissue-type tool and not envision a future that will look very different from what we know today. To be able to reach these people is humbling. To share a belief is exhilarating. To imagine the possibilities is mind-altering.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      What I find as wonderful about it is Christians, Muslims, conservatives and liberals have come together on this. One of the techniques of the dysfunctional family is the conflict that is encouraged among its members so power plays are enabled. Govt does the same thing by pitting different demographics and races against each other. So far Muslims and Christians have been ferocious enemies, but not over Dzokhar’s deplorable situation. They are coming together over him, to try to protect him. What an amazing thing to happen.

  41. emerald98 says:

    I should mention that 16-24 sat on the Grand Jury and to hold the youngest brother responsible they would need to show evidence that proves this, to make probable cause, like the dash board cam, the forensics of the bullets, the testimony of Danny. Again, what evidence do you have?

    • $73803457 says:

      Contradictions and loads of them – 6409 posts later – Suggest you get busy reading….
      And apparently they are not giving any substantive discovery, ie., evidence to defense counsel either. GJ’s notorious for being rubber stamps, so what?
      Roll up your sleeves and ask questions or just watch – its up to you. We are not interested in the fakery crowd – just what doesnt make sense and why?

    • emerald98 says:

      Sir, I have read every document concerning this case, and more. Not giving substantive evidence is legal wrangling. Doesn’t mean evidence DOES Not exist or that the info they do have, is not substantive. This is par for the course of Capital cases, especially terrorist cases. Probable cause is all that needs to be proven to indict. But you using GJ as though all cases that are handed down are “rubber stamped” is over reaching and of little value. Of course you would bring this up as a way to mitigate why he was indicted. A substantial amount of evidence has been handed over to the defense, including videos, computer and texts files, as well as cell phones, etc. This is in the legal files of Sep 23 docs. Clarke said they have received substantial amount of info, this is just things that are missing and could help him with the death penalty protocol. This discovery and exchange is normal, reading more into it just being hopeful. I agree with some of the defense requests, that they don’t need summaries but the actual docs that these summaries came from. Yet, I am sure that will be cleared up in due time. Ask questions all you will, but there is whole bunch of supporters that don’t acknowledge even the most basic of information in this case – the same people who say the media and gov lies are the same one that use the media stories to support jahar. Cherry pickers. To think that 16 page legal doc shows some big cover up and this is proof of innocence is naïve. Most of the info Clarke and her team want are things that could have some mitigating factors, that being to use against the DP. But did you notice that rather crucial info, like the video of him setting down the bomb, the dashboard cam from Collier’s car, and even the confession written in the boat are not among the things she is looking for.These things are argued over daily as though they don’t exist. Reading these legal docs doesn’t seem she is focused on proving him so much innocent but rather trying to save his life from DP.When you want family member files and interview tapes and notes means that they are looking for things to use to save his life. I can see how it’s working, by trying to prove that jahar was not as culpable as his brother. They need to prove that Tamerlan was the planner, the dominant brother, and that he had issues. Why do you think they want so much info on him, especially from the Katherine Russell and his family. They need to paint a picture of how his always did what his brother said, and this could be a cultural thing, and again, this cultural background is in this doc. By proving certain things about Tamerlan, they are in essence making an argument for jahar. To understand Tam is to help jahar’s case.

      I don’t get why supporters seem to think that he was not at the Laurel shootout throwing explosive, even a pressure cooker bomb. Even this website has research on that,(they mostly tear apart other media reports instead of doing their research) and said without a doubt these two were there, this website said that, the same website that brings up these questions about what actually happen to Collier. When government has made bold statement over and over and included them in court records, well we should say there is validity that certain things do exist, if they don’t then is one sure way to mess up this conviction. I believe they tried to get Collier’s gun but was not able to, makes since to want another gun for them as they had only one, and it makes sense that they would car jack, by that evening, tips were pouring in and could trace the Honda civic. People shout there is absolutely no evidence on Jahar, but clearly we see there is, and it is brought up in these docs. it doesn’t matter if Jahar didn’t pull the trigger, and we don’t know if he did or not, but it means little, as he went along with these plans, and in capital cases you are equally responsible.

    • $73803457 says:

      wow – look a sandbagger! why dont you put that on our blog ? Very neat trick.

      and if I hadnt given a flippant reply then you might never have availed us your incredible irrudition and knowledge – I feel better already. Thank you

    • Baby Blake says:

      You are mistaking us for ‘Jahar Supporters’. Nothing of the sort. We have discussed him at great length and in all manner of ways. Never once have we ignored facts that suggest his complicity. There are many that do. However, there are also many that don’t. All we are trying to do is make some sense out of those contradictions in the wider arena – not about him specifically but the whole event and every thing it encompasses. In short, we are NOT here to ‘prove’ him innocent. We are here examining everything – not just him.

      A prime example would be the Todeshev killing – there are unanswered questions, none of which have anything to do with Jahar. He was in jail by then.

    • $73803457 says:

      interesting broadside wouldnt you say?
      think we might be hitting a nerve or two?

    • Guest says:

      Check in with BB.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Check in? Well I’ve arrived!

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Nice one. A few grounds for optimism today, I think…..check you inbox.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Ooooohhhh! Will do!

    • Baby Blake says:

      My ego would love that to be true – alas I think this is just a case of someone who is not neccesarily sure of our aims and has taken the time to spout off his own. Never once questioned the official story – at times I wish I could revert to that blissfully unaware state myself. Then I immediately realise I could never go back – otherwise I’d have to have conversations like the one above for all eternity. And people would continue to be mistreated and murdered by their own governments. I’ll stay put, thanks.

    • $73803457 says:

      interesting timing. I am a firm believer that there are no accidents.

    • Baby Blake says:

      The above was a bit sneaky. Seems very well versed in all aspects and speaks with a sense of authority – why I threw Todeshev in there as part of the same backhanded move. Nothing. Silence.There’s your answer – you are right. No accident by a long shot. Emails on this subject from now on.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      From what I see now emerald is starting out as most trolls do. Asking baiting questions, then arguing with your answers, not reading what you wrote. etc. They will keep on forever as long as you keep replying to them. Be forewarned.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Emerald98 knows that he/she is more than welcome to read our articles.

    • $73803457 says:

      and since you havent really covered any new ground – at least ground we havent already covered in one way or another –
      all you have proved – is that you are about as long winded as me.
      Now if you want to debate – read the blog articles and question us. Anyone contributing there would be happy to answer you.

    • emerald98 says:

      I don’t need to debate, I am good. I will continue to read the legal docs – I don’t have time for groupies and people looking desperately for anything to prove this guy innocent. We will talk later when more info comes out or when he does a plea.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Have you compared the claims in the initial CC with the realities of time and place ? I recommend ‘False Gods’ article at the blogsite. It’s just a bit of adding up and subtracting…nothing radical.

    • emerald98 says:

      What site are you referring to?

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      allthingsforum1. Simple arithmetic, basically. Gwaaaan, treat yourself. :)

    • Guest says:

      You seem well-informed. Do you work for the government?

    • Indi says:

      Hi there, Mr. Emerald. There is no point to argue about what evidence the prosecutors have or do not have – we all have to agree here that we do not know what that is (not even the defense team does).

      But then I have a personal question to You: why do You condemn people researching the contradictions of the official narrative? What is Your problem with that? Why do You put people questioning the inconsistencies in the indictment and CC in the same pocket as groupies? If You have a problem with Jahar supporters, than go to their website and leave Your say there.

      About the defense team: I was kind of sure in the beginning that they were working for a plea deal. But now I have my doubts. We will have to wait to find out. Until there, I do appreciate and value the work of allthingsforum – they are doing a work nobody is doing out there. It is gold.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Very good points there, Indi. We don’t know what happened, and we don’t have to. We just keep asking questions based on what doesn’t add up…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      What has happened for me is that nothing adds up anymore.

    • Guest says:

      Have you never heard that grand juries will indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor tells them to? An indictment is hardy proof of guilt.

    • emerald98 says:

      I am fully aware what the GJ functions are. Surely not every case that goes to the GJ are waved through with no presentation of creditable evidence? Some must be make to trial and have convictions, correct? Obviously, they presented enough evidence to warrant probable cause and move forward with charges. I never said that GJ determines guilt but to brush off an indictment, a 30 count indictment, and say it carries no validity whatsoever doesn’t seem like smart or thoughtful way to view this case or to represent a defendant. I should add, that this is not just any Federal case, it’s a case with national interest, and if you think for a moment that this team of prosecutors are inexperienced morons with no concrete evidence, then you need to wait and see what happens. I don’t think Eric Holder would have put this guy under Sams without having knowledgeable facts about the case and who is the responsible party for this tragedy.

    • Guest says:

      Unfortunately due to the govt shutdown the DOJ website is down, otherwise I would direct you to the stats from 2000 where the DOJ itself says that of 59,472 suspects, federal grand juries decided not to indict 29. If that’s not a rubber stamp I don’t know what is.

      Cite: Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, Compendium of Federal Justice Statistics, 2000, “Basis for declination of prosecution by U.S. Attorneys,” Table 2.4, 30, http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cfjs0002.pdf

      And I think you are severely discounting the emotion that was exploding here in Boston at the time of the indictment. That grand jury would literally have convicted a ham sandwich if prosecutors told it that’s who caused the pain we were all feeling.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Thank you guest. A much more factual response then the blathering mess I could muster.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Troll.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Check in with BabyB.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Are you staging a coup?

      EDIT: Am I about to lose my head?

      BB–where r u?

    • Baby Blake says:

      No. Will email you now.

    • $73803457 says:

      cant leave me out – can you?

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      you’re already in.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Something a little odd happening on the blog, I actually watched a comment disappear???? How is this possible? It came up, and then was zapped before my eyes…..

    • Baby Blake says:

      The person who wrote it decided to delete it. It happens. Have you seen the stats? Amazing. Also check your email please.

    • Missie Baker says:

      I’m thinking of posting a new article: “Do not talk to BB even if you have nothing to hide….” What do you think? Do I have a choice on the email??? LOL–just kidding, I’ve been swamped with work-related boring p-s all day. I’m blowing off some cobwebs.

    • Baby Blake says:

      No – you can leave the email to grow some dust if you like. Maybe blow some more cobwebs off it when you finally get round to reading it!

      Do not talk to BB……only if you’re here with an ulterior motive of course.

    • Missie Baker says:

      ???? Your email said exactly what I said in one word up top? Was there more?

    • Missie Baker says:

      I don’t know if you are right, it was a very nice comment, short and TTP. Odd to zap an enthusiastic “good one.”

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      ….aaaarrrgh ! the perils of turning your back for 5 minutes…. ;)

    • Missie Baker says:

      the perils of too many chiefs… I will go no further for fear of offending an ethnic group I rather revere

    • Guest says:

      I was never even a junior playground monitor, or captain of anything – not even a ‘checkout captain’.

    • Missie Baker says:

      were these omissions because of strongly held political beliefs at the time?

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Well at first I was indifferent and apathetic, but then I became radicalised.

    • Missie Baker says:

      You were only 6. I understand. Were you approached by an underground cell??? (you did end up in the tunnels, as I recall)

      EDIT: speaking of tunnels, I would like a blood sample. Until then, not convinced of the other.

    • Guest says:

      No, the tunnels were a refuge. I became radicalised as a result of my experiences as a persecuted minority. Then I was further radicalised because of being persecuted as a radical. It all starts with being born left-handed….

    • $73803457 says:

      is that the same thing as left brained?

    • Guest says:

      No. Left-brained is right-handed. There’s a point where the leftside and rightside ‘cables’ cross over. They say that, all else equal, left handed sportspersons (particularly in tennis) have a minute advantage because at the crossover point, the cables to the left side of the body cross under, rather than over the other set – so have a slightly shorter path. Quicker reactions.

      Don’t know how true that is, but I can still write backwards better than I can forwards. Could’ve been a contender there…..

    • Missie Baker says:

      Not an Olympic event yet. But there’s still hope.

    • Guest says:

      So we conclude from this cross-brained business that left-handers are the only ones in their right minds ? i live in hope.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Sinister or sinistral–you might be both. I can offer no hope at this time.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      …and the immortal Harpo Marx !

    • Missie Baker says:

      Is anything coming our way from you today? Have I missed it? (work. grumble.)

    • Missie Baker says:

      I’m speechless.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      …but it’s okay, I can still write backwards better than I can forwards. All is not lost.

    • Missie Baker says:

      I’m a fan of absurdity, but why were you persecuted? Are you prepared to share?

    • Guest says:

      Where do I start ? It’s ALL absurd. Only a small group of kids bullied me, but they were the little darling angels of those on the PTA, all solid citizens – and as we know, their kids would NEVER do anything like that.

      I really don’t know why: I never caused bother, was always scared of everybody else to start with, and spent as much time as possible dozing at the back of class, but under the radar. I got into trouble because I wasn’t ‘joining in’ with the activities I’d been directed to join in with. Irony was, I wasn’t keen on joining in, but did so anyway, but got thrown out. Those running the activities were those same pillars of the establishment who were making my life miserable elsewhere. So I got in trouble again for not joining in. Then when I tried to explain, I got into even more trouble for suggesting that these hand-picked paragons of virtue would ever stoop to bullying anybody. So on it went. We had that particular teacher for a while: so he started on me as well. I just wasn’t what people expected me to be, or what they thought I should be.

      Quite an honour to be considered unworthy of the badge of office under that regime. That teacher met his match in the finish – he eventually picked on the wrong one. He was a bully to anybody who didn’t fit his cast about how kids should be.

    • Missie Baker says:

      I understand. Were your parents proud of you for being a non-conformist? Mine were completely indifferent when they weren’t being oblivious. I avoided bullying because I was never engaged and hid out in the library and art labs…. Glad to know that teacher got his in the end–pig.

    • Guest says:

      He made a bid for power – the Headship – (‘Principal’ in US-speak) but was blocked by the decisive intervention of one Mr.McB, Union organiser and PTA member. His daughter, who had top grades at age 16, and who wanted to study medicine, applied for the advanced maths, chemistry, etc classes but was told that the places were reserved for boys, but if anybody dropped out, she’d be allowed in. Mr.McB had plenty more ammo up his sleeve, from other parents not as robust as he is. Mr.McB was kind of a rogue element in the PTA….the girl’s now a doctor.

    • Missie Baker says:

      A good story. Was this in the mists of time? You know, it amazes me how many younger women forget how common these practices were in the not so long ago. My own father (as opposed to another’s) told me at one point–“If I can get you through high school–grade 12–that’s all you will need.” You know how that story ended…I also really wanted an LLM, but realizing I needed to get out of town, my exit strategy took precedence.

    • Guest says:

      Not so far back……the 1980s, believe it or not. That sort of thing’s still alive and well in many circles, more’s the pity.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      My father refused to send me to a junior college where my best friends were going. 4 years or nothing and I was expected to go period. Grade 13 was demanded along with graduation. No discussion. I was a good girl so I did. My mother had no aspirations for me except to marry money.

    • Guest says:

      I didn’t graduate. But I still found a way into university at around age 30.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I was a ‘mature student’ also! Loved it.

    • Guest says:

      And by that point you’re studying something you’re actually interested in. Where did you study ?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Criminal Justice and Social Policy

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      So you’re well qualified to mete it out. Where did you do it ?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Straight out of Foucault’s Discipline and Punish. Schools are to enforce normality, obedience to the norm. That’s what they are there for. Learning anything is simply a by-product.

    • Guest says:

      …good job I learned resistance techniques and how to subvert the agenda – eventually. There was some very good teachers there, very good people. The way it was run was the problem.

    • Indi says:

      I knew it, I knew it… being left-handed IS a good start for one to become an out-of-the-box thinker.

    • Guest says:

      Fair enough, yer honour. But there’s some decent research out there these days….

    • Baby Blake says:

      I’m here!

    • emerald98 says:

      Troll. That is what you call people that don’t go along with your ideas. This is how you prove points, to call out people that don’t agree with you. I found this article and read it, then commented on it, how is that a troll. You don’t own exclusivity to this article or what people comment on. Childish and very closed minded.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Yawn. Heard that too.

    • $73803457 says:

      ah come on ya gotta admit this entertaining – and when ab sees this – whew – ringside seats!

      Wait I can feel it now – another phd in the works down thread –

    • Baby Blake says:

      It’s boring. Abs will call this person out though….

    • $73803457 says:

      you keep swinging slugger – gotta love that spunk!

    • abbeysbooks says:

      We do not have to show evidence to prove anything. According to the now pretty defunct Constitution he is innocent until proven guilty. The Grand Jury has to weigh evidence to decide whether to hold him for trial. But propaganda 101 should take care of most of them. Americans are poorly educated for the most part and those who might pose critical questions would be eliminated. And I don’t think you are a troll. Yet.

    • emerald98 says:

      1)Poorly educated, huh. It’s interesting that you slam and put entire nation down as way to show superiority of intellect and prove a point of sorts; but you have done just the opposite. Your comment is racist, and racism doesn’t have to be about color, etc. I don’t need to tell YOU how great a country we have where so many people around world love to visit, study, and become citizens in this free country. We have some of brightest and most prolific, educated people in the world. But by calling out entire nation as you did is not the way to debate or pose arguments that you believe in and wish others to think about. That is immature, reckless and misinformed on your part – that sentence alone says volumes about you, and possibly the group you represent.

      2)You do not have enough knowledge to understand the Grand Jury in this case. Your comments about determining if the case will go to trial, well Elvis has left the building on that idea, they are going to trial. Why do you think they are in the discovery phase? Why did the prosecution say they will call 80-100 witnesses to testify about evidence and the trial will last 3-4 months. If you are so informed then you would know from the legal docs they are proceeding to trial.

      3)As far as your questioning things, that is everyone’s right to do. Just as I am doing with you at this very moment. People do it all the time in this country, you know the freedom of speech and all. What I am hearing from your comments is that you don’t like the fact that many people have already made up their mind about this case, and not in the direction that you like. Sounds like your little followers are doing just that too, and more power to you. But don’t get angry and hostile because people don’t agree with you. I bet even in your group you all don’t agree on all points either.

      4)The idea that you cannot produce actual documentation is telling. If you told that to Judy Clarke she would say then it holds no merit and cannot be used in a court of law. I don’t know why many people feel the need to hang onto information that may not be factual or relevant, but was on the internet and so it much be right. I will look up and see what the reliability of police scanners are in using it as actual evidence. I too am very interested in this case, and so because you and your friends are all over my comments then I have made a call to the Boston Police department to get the actual document regarding Collier and what the police report says as they responded to “shot fired.” Whether I will get it is another story since Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has not went to trial. Much is sealed to makes sure he gets a untainted defense. Saying you don’t have to present anything to prove your points, well that does little to convince me that your narrative is correct : Dzhokhar or Tamerlan did not kill officer Collier. Then you bring up what “happened to innocent until proven guilty?” Are you suggesting that people cannot form opinions on this case, certainly you have done just that. But slam others for their opinions. From your hostile comments, you believe him to be innocent, that is your right, but don’t put people down for having their own ideas as well. And suggesting that America is not open minded and don’t ask questions is just a ridiculous statement. This happens daily all across this land. We love to expose wrongs and point out injustice. But to suggest that this guy is absolved of any wrong doing on all parts of this case, well I don’t agree with that. This same website this is published on says : “there is not doubt that he and Tamerlan were on Laurel street shooting at police and throwing explosives, one being a pressure cooker bomb.” Keep asking questions, but my only problem with that is that you use factual substantiated evidence – not old media stories from a hectic moment with conflicting reports. As I said many of times, I don’t know myself if Dzhokhar actually pulled the trigger on that gun that killed Collier, but that matters little as he was there, involved and driving…in capital cases, that is the same as if he pulled the trigger. By the way, I think I told one your friends how difficult it is to get a gun out of 3 way holster.

      Five months later and so much more info later, including legal documents is proving just how involved this guy was in this horrific and evil event.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Yawn.

      Collapsed it back up I’m afraid – it was taking up too much valuable space.

      We’ve heard it.

      I’ll be blunt : no one is interested so do your self a favor and find a bunch of people who really give a s**t.

      You are boring us.

    • $73803457 says:

      I’ll say this – kid’s got spunk thats for sure. Oh god – wait until ab sees this response. MIght as well leave the board for few days LOL.

    • Baby Blake says:

      …Over to land of Michael Hastings it is then….

      This ‘kid’ has not got spunk. If he/she did then they wouldn’t just roll over and not check out the other side of the story.

      This person is here taking up our valuable time with s**t we covered months ago. This person is taking up reams and reams of space with absolutely nothing new and is adding nothing to the discussion here.

      Unless this person can come up with something to take the discussion further they are wasting our time.

      This will go on for days – read this person’s other comments on similar threads. This person likes to leave his/her droppings all over the place by writing ‘essays’ that agree with the official narrative and nothing more.

      This person likes to argue with those that don’t.

      A message to ‘this person’: After many months we’ve had loads like you come and go. You are adding nothing. Take a hike and go and spout to someone who actually cares.

      In short we will never agree – so do yourself a favor and get lost.

    • $73803457 says:

      BB – How do you all read these whacko’s other posts? I have heard you all reference this before – but I dont know how to do it..

    • Baby Blake says:

      Click on the name Emerald98! Scroll down – takes you through their whole discuss account. What they’ve posted/where/dates and times.

      I warn you though. This one is the most boring yet. I almost walked myself off the plank it was that monotonous.

    • Indi says:

      Yeah, Missie said it a day ago and she was spot on.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Take any comment you have posted. Click on your own name. All your comments will come up. Read them until you get hungry. Or sleepy.

    • olballcoach says:

      Now that’s funny! lolol

    • Indi says:

      Hahaha! LOL!

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Did you read ‘False Gods’ yet ? Nothing from the media, only the FBI’s CC and image, and a bit of arithmetic….

    • Baby Blake says:

      Saunders – no point. They will never go there and read it – they just like to argue and waste our time. This will go on for days if you continue to respond. You are dealing with someone who has ABSOLUTELY no interest in our work or taking the discussion further. You are trying to convince someone who DOES NOT want to be convinced. They know you see. We are fools – because they know.

      Nip this in the bud right now or it will take up valuable time – for days/weeks.

      Don’t bother.

    • Guest says:

      Chill. :) I was just feeling a bit left out.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Warm hugs.

    • Indi says:

      :) Yeah BB, after this ‘brilliant’ outing of Mr. Emerald telling people here how childish, racist, etc., they are, I am also convinced that he is just not worth it… complete loss of valuable time.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I might take your comments seriously into consideration if your grammar and syntax weren’t so poor. I believe the word for that is uneducated. Bully ho for American education eh! You are a product of it. Congratulations on your diploma.

  42. emerald98 says:

    Have you updated this story, recently. As much of has changed. I see how you question so much, but some of the things you use as examples give little to making a case that these brothers were not the ones responsible. What about ‘Danny’ why tell this Chiness guy you carjacked you shot a police officer, why would they need to do all that, maybe because they did and wanted to boast and to scare the guy. Have you personally spoke with him and tried to discredit him like many of there freejahar people do. It’s all funny that use media stories to back their defense, the same media stories they say lies. Impossible to use media stories including this one as way to determine so much. And it’s so typical to call out the FBI as liars all the time, surely they can’t be liars all the time, same with the media. If this stories is old and outdated.
    Could it be that they didn’t want to get caught, so when they couldn’t get the gun they gave up and got the hell out of there. Seriously, one gun is going to cut it when you plan on a possible shootout. Don’t you agree. And these two could not buy any guns either, the gun they had, a Rugers 9mm was the same type of gun that shot Collier. The gun is now evidence, it was found on Tamerlan. It makes since that they would car jack someone, because now that their pictures were out there, there will be tips coming to their ways to point to their homes, their cars, etc. So again, this make since to get a new ride and some money. Why is everything they did so unbelievable? You don’t think two guys could think this way?

    • Indi says:

      Hi Emerald, it is not about the possibility of the suspects having made what the official narrative is telling they did, but it’s about the river of contradictions one will find when interested in this case. I recommend You to read some of the comments here or even better, to read the articles from the two blogs. People here are not just barking at the FBI. You will see that it’s about identifying the contradictions and asking questions, making people think.

      http://allthingsforum1.blogspot.com.br/

      and

      http://allthingsforum2.blogspot.com.br/

      If You have questions, ask.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Very well said Indi.

    • emerald98 says:

      Those two blogs are not actual factual evidence, but commentary and the author’s belief in jahar’s innocence. I have seen them. And when you use WhoWhatWhy to use in your defense, then you should know they also said: “there is no doubt, from their talking to people on Laurel street that these men were there, shooting at police, and throwing explosives, a pressure cooker being one.” This is what they said after talking to people on that street and saw it all go down. So that tells me what I already know, these guys are not two innocent guys. It’s not everyday that people have pressure cooker bombs. Now, these blogs you use take their info from media stories, the same people the supporters say lie. The killing of Collier has questions but most of these stories are dated from April, especially one said the gun was gone, etc. That is one account, there are 20 other stories that state they could not get the gun, it was had three way holster lock, presumably they panicked and left without it. And this come from the actual police chief. many media stories on April 18- and onward miss informed people as so many people were being interviewed and people talking off the record. So many things were happening and new info being found, it’s easy to stay glued to this one narrative that is used in this blog. Why is inconceivable to believe they needed another gun, just like they needed a new ride so they car jacked to get one. And if you take the MA filing charges against jahar for his death as a case falling apart then you missed some of their motive, has nothing to do with actual evidence as so much with a stance, to make sure he appropriately charged by the state and answers for his crime. Do you really believe that they would take these measures without a case? How foolish if they didn’t have all they needed to make a conviction. And that goes for the gov too. I am curios to who actually pulled the trigger, but in the end, in capital cases, jahar can be charged with aiding abetting – he is just a guilty for going along with it. So no, that blog means very little, I could ask a zillion questions to and add links to media stories too, but what does prove his innocence. This what Whowhatwhy does, looks for little opening on news stories to prove certain points, and most time they don’t do any of their own research. I could do that too! You are free to ask questions, but those blogs are far from being balanced and open to questions, they are trying to prove that Jahar was not involved in the killing and they go about it with the idea that he is innocent. It’s not a defense to say that media, people, eyewitness, gov, law enforcement, etc., are all liars when it comes to Jhar. Just the thing they are doing to Danny, trying to make him seem like one too.

    • $73803457 says:

      According to Scanner reports – Colliers gun was stolen – it was reported missing 3 times that night 20 minutes later it was reported found by a k-9 unit around the corner at 15 Vasser – why did they ditch the gun?
      That is not based on any media report – that does argue Dzhokhar’s innocense or guilt – that is a fact.
      And that is just one.

    • Baby Blake says:

      ‘Media report’. Where did that come from. If only people knew.

    • $73803457 says:

      Its in the scanner reporting – the same officer id an eye witness who saw the 711 guy toodling up Vasser and there was another eye witness who saw the same dude in front of the Marriot down the street from the shooting – thats why the trains were stopped and searched – the bridge was closed and the river searched.
      There is also the two overhead surveillance cameras at the corner where he was shot – that LE never reported back on.
      And there is the fact that the first BOLO’s issued were for 711 robbery suspect wanted in connection with the MIT shooting – None of this made it to the media –
      Once Danny – told of the confession – 6 police agencies did a 180 and the rest is history.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I would give my left eyyebrow if you pik savants would look at these piks, read the analysis and see what you come up with. I bet you can find DM in them. You know everyone and you know how things should look so if there is any shopping you will pick up on that. Please. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr118.html

    • emerald98 says:

      First, Where did you get those reports? Are you saying you have the actual police reports? Second, there was a lot of confusion that night, just like it was reported that he robbed the gas station that night – that turned out to be false. (there was robbery, are you sure these reports were not for the robbery?) Again people reported that they turned off the cell service at bombing area, that turned out to be false. Lots of stories reported things incorrectly in those moments, especially when so many people are talking off the record, and with so many media outlets reporting. Have you read the actual police report? Do you have the official scanner reports? Those scanners are confusing as well, I listened to them myself, especially the ones when he was in the boat – those were sketchy as well. For the sake of an argument, why are u stuck on this gun, when clearly they have video of these two creeping up on him, and the bullets used will come back their Rudgers 9mm they were using? To hand down an indictment of a murder, they would have show some evidence, possibly ones I listed above. Even if the gun was later found, which I doubt, it still doesn’t mean that they did not shoot him 5 times. Then add Danny’s comments how they took responsibility for the bombing and the murder. Of course you have issues with him I bet, many supporters want to make him out to be a liar, but there is no reason to believe that. You know Jahar and Tamerlan were driving his car, it ended up on Laurel street in a shoot out with THEM. Then you add the fact that not only does the Federal gov indict Jahar on killing Collier, so does MASS. So you are seriously saying that both of these governments are making all this up? This is not China or Russia, this is America. And again, heads would row if this was put in legal docs and they actually had no evidence to support this claim. Even the vice president knew the facts to call them out on it at Collier’s memorial. It makes sense to me they would want another firearm, as they only had one, just like they needed another car. Makes little sense to believe otherwise. Your blog, however much you want to think you are uncovering some big set up and have these free jahar people egging you on and adoring your “facts”, it is far reaching and is not on based on reliable and current information. Look on Google at all the people that wrote stories on Collier and you will find a variety of mistakes early on but after wards when they had time to gather info, it was reported like I mentioned. Why don’t you send this info to Judy Clarke, maybe she can assess your facts and see if they are valid or creditable!

    • $73803457 says:

      day after –
      actually I listened to it as it was happening on broadcastify – with about 30.000 others on REDDIT that very night – we knew what was happening a half hour before CNN et all broadcasted it – Furthermore – we had people on REDDIT who lived on the streets the gun fire was occuring on.

    • emerald98 says:

      okay, are talking about the shootout on laurel or shooting of officer collier?

    • $73803457 says:

      Look – I really could give a rats behind whether you want to believe everything Law Enforcement tells the media and they dutifully report back to us.
      I dont. Stopped believing in Santa and the Easter bunny a long time ago.
      We are taking the evidence presented to the public by Law Enforcement and holding it up to analysis – we are comparing their reports (which by the way the criminal complaint contradicts the GJ indictment or at the very least backs off about a half a dozen contentions sprayed all over the media that wrongly convicted this kid in public)
      to the public record of eye witness testimony, scannner reports, video, and photographic reports.
      Their own evidence contradicts their own narrative. Read any of the articles and you will see – we are not making this up – and we arent talking about fake blood or actors are none of that nonsense.
      Just looking at the evidence that is publicly available.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Ah, good, you’ve read the docs. I’d welcome your feedback on the simple calculations in ‘False Gods’, especially in the light of the initial CC.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Scanner anyone???

    • $73803457 says:

      The one report that Colliers gun was missing did not come from the media. It came from Law Enforcement over their own scanners – 3 times that night it was reported. In fact it was also reported on those scanners that night that he was shot with his own weapon – the weapon that was missing. The same weapon that law enforcement found later in a search of the area.
      That has never been cleared up – did Colliers gun fall out of the gurney – like the magic bullet?
      Come on now – if its research you are after – we have done it – and you have not.

    • emerald98 says:

      “We have done the research, really.” Where is this info? I want to read both. Now you are saying his gun was used to kill him? ( In my personal opinion, this holster is the single best way to ensure that anti-gun radicals (or drunken frat boys, or whoever you think may try to grab your gun from you and will end up unable to get your gun. ) A bit about the 3 way lock holster. Again produce your sources, the transcripts and police reports that contradicts other media stories and the state of MA and the federal government . I would love to see this. You are not an authority on this case, and just because you pick and choose items to weave a story and ask questions and find things to call out does not mean these things are factual or related to this case. I can do this myself about a whole hosts of subjects. Being published on the internet does not make them true factual current statements.

    • $73803457 says:

      Gottem right here in my pocket son…Where do you wanna meet for a beer?
      Listen to the scanners like everyone else.
      If anyone is spouting on old theories – its you. Really gotta keep up.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Whip em out Coach. ‘Picking and choosing’ eh? Shame the prosecution didn’t do the same. They now face the embarrassment of having all that dragged out in public when Tsarnaev walks on that charge. What the hell Collier’s family are going to make of that I don’t know. Disgusting state of affairs all round – have they not suffered enough?

    • $73803457 says:

      You realize I said that with my tongue firmly in my cheek, right? Tongue in Cheek – get it?
      Anyway – about mid way reading through this persons comments – I realized our learned friend is young and short on the details. Thats okay – he/she will lurk and learn how we are doing things and be back from time to time to try to refute us – unless of course he/she has that AHA moment when the LE BS gets tooo thick to wade through – or he/she experiences one too many contradictions and realizes – we are not in Kansas anymore.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Cant be bothered anymore,. We’ve come too far to be proving things to EACH individual person who hasn’t heard the flip side yet. ‘I’d like to see both of those sources;…

      Whatever. The link is there and has been provided to the poster. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink……

      If the poster is genuinely interested in accessing that info we’ve provided it.

      Something tells me they just wont bother.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      They don’t give a fug. After Miriam Carey what’s to care. They are gonna get away with that and that is far worse.

    • emerald98 says:

      umm, are saying these scanner reports are somehow going to be evidence in this case? I want to see that. Were you listening to reddit? I can’t wait to see how these precious tapes of your prove him innocent. People say all sorts of stuff on police radios, police talking back and forth – and they move frequencies as well. I don’t need to keep up, but if these tapes of yours are fortified with info, then this should prove what: he was not the Boston Bomber, he did not kill Collier or he did not write a confession or he did not car jack a SUV or he did not use Danny’s credit card or he did not throw a pressure cooker bomb on Laurel street or they did not tell Danny they killed Collier and were the people behind the Marathon Bombing? I will make a bet with you, and let’s see if your precious conclusive 100% tape helps absolve him of his charges. But of course if you don’t want to well, I can let you off:) But scanner tapes will have to compete with other evidence like Video and forensics! Right? Can’t wait to see if Tamerlan’s gun bullets match the ones found with Collier or the other officers on Laurel. Almost giddy to see how this will turn out. PS. I listened for 2 hours of the scanners for the boat situation, and one can hardly draw in factual conclusive evidence from them. Way too many people talking and commenting, and those comments are not all correct statements either, and then they switch frequencies on some info. But should I call Judy Clarke and let her know you have solved the case?:) !!!I don’t drink beer, just wine or margs on the rocks with salt:) Send me the scanner link and I will listen to them. good night.

    • Baby Blake says:

      If you actually ventured over to the blog instead of just pretending to you would see the scanner transcripts that contradict the media sources and the information in the indictment are there. Also read “Collier Case Could Collapse Due to Conflicting Evidence”

      The original audio recordings are publicly available for you to listen to at Broadcastify.com.

      If you can be bothered, that is.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I’ve been gone a few days reading Dave’s blogs and I am impressed. Perhaps the boat scene was real, and Collier’s death was real of course. So they try him for that murder which is easier to prove than the bombing for sure. also he was shooting from the boat on their say so. Easy again.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Or maybe they murdered Collier to have a victim?

    • otterdaughter says:

      we would love to ask danny questions! how do you propose we do that?
      since that’s not happening, we’ll have to go with his story.
      and his story has changed a number of times. that strains his credibilty, which many had trouble with at the first version. we find his story/stories not believable.

      you certainly must be aware of the fbi’s now 10 year history of agent provocateuring the overwhelming number of terorism cases in this country? hell, you take the fbi out of the equation and we’re left with 5 or 6 real terrorists.
      no problem there?

      when the fbi shows me a photo – their evidence, not mine – of a black backpack said to contain the bomb and two days later shows me the suspects wearing packs that are not black…you know, i gotta think that’s a story that doesn’t add up.

  43. Gaston Lagaffe says:

    Coach, Baby B, I’m reposting this pic because my previous post is miles down thread. I believe this is the DMMaybe figure below the yellow arrow (don’t mind the red one). I actually believe it’s him!

    • Baby Blake says:

      Emma, have you been privy to the ‘ears’ yet? I you don’t know what I’m talking about the answer will be no! Let me know, so I can fill you in on the DM latest if need.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Ears? Well, I’ve been comparing ears and foreheads, but I don’t know what *you* mean, so yes, please, fill me in! Thank you.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Again we kept it off thread due to the sensitive nature of the person we were dealing with. Will forward Saunders’ email to you now.

    • $73803457 says:

      oopsies

    • Guest says:

      Okay, to be clear – before I respond to Coach with questions about his pics – should I ask those off thread?

    • $73803457 says:

      yep yep –

    • Indi says:

      Psssst, walls have ears.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I don’t think anyone know what were talking about Em. Should be fine – we all know the person concerned.

    • Guest says:

      I’m a little confused now. Please, include me in your emails if you have any interesting info.

    • $73803457 says:

      I responded down thread. But here it is again,
      Its close that is for sure. And this guy has that creepy look going on too….
      But he has hair on the sides of his head – and the other guy at the forum does not – his side is clean shaven – and I think I recall seeing that going on in early pictures —
      here is what I could get from my blow up toy

    • Baby Blake says:

      Frustrating. There is a clear pic of dude out there somewhere with a chin the size of an alien’s forehead. Where the hell is it?

    • $73803457 says:

      Here are my ear shots from the you tube vid –

    • $73803457 says:

      Since you and Saunders have the ear fetish going on – I’ll let you have the final say – unless Mrs. Peel wants a go too…
      If’n ya was to ask me – the distinctive lobe is a darn good match and as well as the curl at the top. My two cents.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I thought the same.

    • $73803457 says:

      So, I know what Saunders was doing looking through the preblast shots – me too. Gotta find it – maybe hunt down additonal sources of photos? They (whoever might have them) may not know what they have – may not have an idea and they’re sitting out there of flicker, or imgur – how to get the plea for help out? Every pik you look at – there are a million people with cameras – this is frustrating as heck.

    • Baby Blake says:

      You’re forgetting where it was took. The site was ‘blast 2’ – the call to arms went out and photos started flooding into LE. Many would never publish thinking they were not allowed to. Not to mention all the camera’s ect that were conviscated from people leaving Boston.
      There as rare as hens teeth……but…..I refuse to believe for a single second there are ‘none’. It’s out there all right but where?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Ears are as good as fingerprints I read.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Have been comparing ears for a long time – I’m not sure it’s a match. DMMaybe’s ear seems larger – may just be the angle though.
      What’s that stripe across his forehead? A lock of hair?

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      I can believe this is him – the nose, the strong chin. One of your pics (with Hoodie Guy) has these same women as well, so he should be nearby – and there he is… Close behind them. Have been looking at DM pics at that weblog of his for hours this past weekend – I recognize him… well, at least I think I do.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Just another crazy thought…
      Dishevelled with an anguished look on his face.
      Caucasion – oriental man?

    • Guest says:

      Wasn’t there a mention of a very neat goatee beard ?

      Looking at the picture dead-on, you’d be right to think ‘no way he’d be mistaken for oriental’, but in reality, I don’t think it’s that wild a stretch.

      We keep in mind that memory is not a simple matter of ‘action replay’. Whatever was seen was filtered via the situation, then the brain brings back a memory of what it thinks it has seen. I don’t know how far that applies to vision specifically, but from having done some psychoacoustics, that’s how it works with music. Though we all see and hear the same things, we all process and recall it slightly differently from how it was, and in unique ways. Not crazy, BabyB.

      Superb article on coercion. I heard a radio slot on the very same this morning: some fella euphemising to the point of delusion….

    • Baby Blake says:

      Thank you S. It turned into a bit of a mammoth slog. Yet I guess our new friend here will not believe a word of it. After all authorities will of told him that that sort of thing never happens. Must be true in that case – I’ll delete the article.

      Not.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      The Rashomon Effect.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      “Dishevelled with an anguished look on his face” – is that a first description of “Danny”? And he had a goatee as well? (per Saunders’s post below).

      I only remember the guy in the shop said he thought “Danny” was crazy…. hmmm or psychotic maybe?

    • $73803457 says:

      Hello Mrs Peel
      Carjack Danny was never described having a goatee — the above was.
      But Carjack Danny was described by the Mobile station operator – as being Caucasin
      and he thought he was drunk.
      Red haired, goatee’d chinese ? I suppose it could happen. But I dont think so.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Hello Coach!

      Danny could be one of about 50 Chinese minorities – who knows, there may be red bearded men among them…

      BTW, DM describes his hair colour as ‘dirty blonde’, not ginger.

    • $73803457 says:

      he can it whatever he wants but thats some purty red hair…LOL

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      LOL – beard is ginger for certain.
      Any luck finding other candidates? I’m off to Baby B’s Imgur now to have another look…

    • $73803457 says:

      No – but I had a thought tonight – I started looking at the after blast shots at site to see if I could find him lurking and watching his handiwork as the FBI described it? No luck – but there is a ton more of them than the preblast piks of the Forum…

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Same thought here! I’m looking at them right now.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Those are pretty scary after blast pics aren’t they. Not a question. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html His analysis is spot on. I have read some of his about other things also but not all.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Good morning Mrs.Peel, you’ve got a brisk start on us today.

      How much does the hair colour matter ? I ask because most hair takes on different colours depending on the light. I even have a magic camera that doesn’t show the greys……who needs photoshop ?

    • abbeysbooks says:

      And better yet they don’t need to do plastic surgery anymore for the camera. Too expensive and too much trouble.

    • Renny says:

      Coach, I have just remembered one interesting thing – the story about Misha, the guy who “radicalized” TT – he was also said to be a “red-bearded” man… coincidence?

    • $73803457 says:

      I cant remember if that arts or book review supplied any photo of Misha – but is a nice catch from the depths of the old memory hole.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Officially, he was tracked down and found to be of no interest to the enquiry….apparently he’s a Ukrainian-Armenian who converted to Islam himself.

    • Renny says:

      Well, that’s the official version. I was just intrigued by the red beard and the Armenian descent. And the way uncle Ruslan was pushing this name of Misha forward. Remember, the Watertown area has a large Armenian population. Just curious, if the person who they were looking for or meeting up, would have been Armenian as well? This is obviously just a speculation.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Sorry for the delay in response Renny: as you can see, there’s a gang of bullies invaded the site.

      It is very odd, but as you say, intriguing. I had a thought about what you were saying the other day – about your mother speaking Russian. The accent that was strange to her ears may have been an accent from the Caucasus region: Chechen, Armenian, Georgian, et c….

      It would be interesting to know more.

    • Renny says:

      Checked it, no picture. Just a description by the author of the book review article – “A thirty-nine-year-old man of Armenian-Ukrainian descent, Allakhverdov is of medium height and has a thin, reddish-blond beard.”

      http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/apr/28/tamerlan-tsarnaev-misha-speaks/

  44. Guest says:

    Anyone else been having trouble getting the images from the forum1 site ? I haven’t been able to get the page to open for the last 24 hours or so.

  45. $73803457 says:

    This is amazing – I wonder where they were perched to get so many shots vertical the front end horizontal hull covering (for lack of a better word)…..?

    • Baby Blake says:

      How many ‘boat pics’ have you got? I was meant to dig some out for Missy but forgot. What do you need?

    • $73803457 says:

      I have this one. Which is my best – and several others at various stages of the evening and early morning – not much use. This one is the grabber.

  46. $73803457 says:

    Missie – I dont remember where I got this – but here is a really good boat pik and I am going to cut this up in smaller but blow-up chunks for everyone to get a good look at it. Here is the whole image of the boat in bright daylight.

  47. Baby Blake says:

    Posted new entry on the blog, site 1.

    ‘Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: The FBI, Interrogations and a Crash Course in Coerced Confession’

    Pretty grim.

    • Indi says:

      Wrrah! You have a serious fan here. I love Your piece. Awesome article. You guys rock. I hope the defense team has half the passion You guys have. DT really needs it.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Wrrrah! What the hell is ‘wrahhhh!’??!
      Thank you very much!

  48. Indi says:

    I am sure You have already read it. But just in case You have not, here it goes:

    http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/10/07/the-other-things-the-government-is-hiding-from-dzhokhars-lawyers/

    • Indi says:

      I was looking at the original documents (http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/dmasstsarnaevdoc112.pdf) and this part (page 11) called my attention. It is utterly absurd that the government is keeping this information away from the defense team. They have to right to get their hands on it to defend DT. The government is keeping it sealed because they know that what happened during that questioning episode might change the whole case.

      “Defense Request # 1: All information and documents concerning or comprising communications (including, without limitation, e-mail messages) between or among law enforcement personnel, prosecutors, and the Court concerning our client’s repeated requests for a lawyer during questioning at Beth Israel hospital following his arrest.

      In response, the government re-framed this request as simply seeking “[i]nformation concerning the defendant’s request for a lawyer during questioning at Beth Israel hospital” and then stated that “the government has already complied with this request.” Ex. A at 9. The government’s response elides the core of the defense request. While the government has produced information regarding the interrogation, it is not known whether Mr. Tsarnaev’s requests for counsel from his hospital bed were ever communicated to the Court. The defense therefore has requested and persists in requesting any communications among law enforcement, prosecutors, and the Court concerning Mr. Tsarnaev’s requests for counsel in order to fully assess what remedies may be available for violations of the Fifth and Sixth Amendments. For example, it may be necessary to conduct an inquiry to determine whether information obtained from the interrogation of Mr. Tsaranaev tainted the recovery of other evidence. Evidence obtained through coerced statements may be subject to suppression.”

    • $73803457 says:

      “””For example, it may be necessary to conduct an inquiry to determine whether information obtained from the interrogation of Mr. Tsaranaev tainted the recovery of other evidence. Evidence obtained through coerced statements may be subject to suppression.””””
      Defense has found the soft spots and is going after them. A hearing on whether evidence was tainted by LE in their rush to judgement would be delicous irony!!! We have marveled at how over the top the whole thing has become – well I guess the defense wants to know why as well?
      Does anyone think any of this gets televised – I might have to break down and fire up my cable subscription just for this.

    • Indi says:

      Hahaha!

      It also makes me crazy that the media never reports this kind of stuff.

    • Baby Blake says:

      They’re beginning to – but far too late for it to have any real impact I’m afraid. The media had that boy guilty as charged by day one. As a result that is now ingrained into the public mind.

      Once it’s in there it’s almost impossible to get out. But we can only try.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      …and the longer it goes on, the more chance there is…

    • Baby Blake says:

      Arrgg. I love to say the tide is turning, and to a certain extent it is. But how do you unpick all that crap from peoples brains? It’s ingrained – just as they knew it would be when they went with such aggressive reporting.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      We keep at it…….and then we keep on keeping at it…

    • abbeysbooks says:

      You ridicule it like Jon Stewart and Colbert.

    • Baby Blake says:

      We could only hope. But no – I don’t think there is ANY way this will be televised. If it does go to trial I envisaged lots of ‘closed court’ sessions where ‘sensitive information to the government’ will be heard.

      Away from prying eyes and ears. No one is televising a cover up.

    • otterdaughter says:

      imo, dt told his lawyers everything, including the intel stuff. in the huge document dump from the feds, there was little to nothing about it. defense knows it should be there, so now they’re asking for it. interesting that the govt is holding back on the evidence relating to one area. must mean it either exculpates tsarnaev, or inculpates the gov.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Nice.

    • olballcoach says:

      Do you think that might be why defense is tap dancing around making it sound like “ah heck – just wanna know for good DP purposes” seems to me it might be risky not to send a stronger signal back. I’ve tried to think what would I do and I just go blank. This is a tough nut to crack. But you are right about him telling everything. He has no reason to hold back anything.

    • otterdaughter says:

      the legal maneuvering is a case study of it’s own.
      my guess is the defense is preparing for either eventuality; a dp protocol or a non-dp protocol. i think procedures, rules, and standards are different under the dp protocol. i know it can change things like what the defense can spend on expert testimony. things that have nothing to do with evidence.
      that’s why they want AG to decide on the dp; so they have one case to handle instead of two.
      god bless judy clarke and miriam conrad. in that world, it would be so easy to just show up every day, but they fight for their clients. at least that’s what it looks like.

    • Indi says:

      I was quite skeptical at the beginning, but I must say that what I have seen so far from them made me turn more positive towards their strategy.

      On page 7 from the last released document they wrote (source: http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/dmasstsarnaevdoc112.pdf)

      “Evidence relevant to mitigation also includes information “regarding relative culpability” of accomplices. Karake, 281 F. Supp. 2d at 307. Thus, “the government is obliged to disclose any information that reflects that defendants are equally or less culpable than other co- conspirators.” Id. at 308. Here, in other words, alleged aggravating information concerning the character and culpability of the defendant’s brother, Tamerlan, is mitigating with respect to the defendant and must be produced.”

      and on p. 8 they wrote:

      “Developing a mitigation case is akin to construction of a mosaic. Myriad discrete facts that may not seem obviously mitigating or even relevant viewed in isolation are combined in context to depict the defendant as a complete human being in order to persuade the government and/or a jury that he should not be put to death.”

      That worried me. What do You guys say about it? As You said Guest, they need to be prepared for two fronts. That has broadened my perspective.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      The defense right now is going for some PR in light of the aggression that is out there now on their previous paint by numbers defenses. These are “floating signs” acting as masks of “emptiness.”

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Interesting.

    • Guest says:

      Thanks! Hadn’t checked my RSS news feeds yet. Emptywheel on the case – a good thing.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Always comes up with an angle that never crossed my mind. No wonder they’re not releasing details of Todeshev’s case. I hope to got DT lawyers can force that aspect through. That man deserves that, at the very least.

    • $73803457 says:

      Good Grief…You get a strong whiff from Wheelers piece and the comments that there is ballgame being played on another field that all of us common folk arent allowed to watch.
      Seriously, is it possible the prosecution may ultimately favor protecting Uncle Ruslan and whatever else their is to find out about Snowden over convicting DT or at the very least applying the DP to this case – as suggested?
      Again – this points to the over-the-top, aggressive nature of this case since the bombs went off. It points to the fear of what this kid knows about the larger game going on around him.
      I mean we are just tea leaf readers right now – but it doesnt take a psychic smell this out.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Is it possible? Sure it is. It’s happening right now Coach. And you are allowed to see – you’re actually in it.

    • $73803457 says:

      Hey whats up with the ears?
      Saunders said to check in with you?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Oh no. Not that again…..
      He had me in hysterics last night. I had NO IDEA what the man was on about. I do now though!
      Will forward the email to you right now.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      And now that they have murdered an unarmed woman in broad daylight in front of witnesses and tourists, we know they will and can do anything.

  49. Missie Baker says:

    Coach: Don’t know if you have this video of the backyard boat–daytime forensics crew at work. I’ve only ever seen stills of this video, which I’ve used in my article on the AllthingsForum2.blogspot.com questioning DT’s written boat confession–used a lot of stills. (You know that evidence has been bothering me since we first talked about it.)

    But with your super blow-up software from Saunders–can you see anything on this screenshot I enhanced about 300%–it’s the side where the note should be, and there’s white-suited man in front of it. Beyond this, I cannot get anything much but blur….thanks. Here’s the link and here’s the image I can get. (assume you will save video for your files if you do not already have it?)

    http://www.necn.com/10/04/13/Watertown-Mass-man-gets-new-boat/landing.html?blockID=854273&feedID=11106

    EDIT: I’m somewhat excited to see this video image, because the only other “hawks-eye” view I have of this side of the boat has a lot of white showing on that panel section where the white-suited investigator is standing….this shows something dark, which would have to be one of two surfaces DT supposedly used. I also just saw a tweet that 93% of the UK residents polled felt the “note in the boat” was BS!!! 93% (S–your team may be a bit sharper than ours–LOL!)

  50. Missie Baker says:

    New document BB posted below (thanks, BB!) mentions FBI’s 302 documents as containing potentially “mitigating” facts….did not know what a 302 was:

    Instead of electronically recording its interviews and interrogations, the FBI’s policy is to rely on agents’ typewritten “section 302 reports,” crafted to reflect the supposed substance of the exchange. At such sessions, one agent takes notes by hand while the second agent—in the traditional two-agent FBI interviewing team—conducts the interview/interrogation. Tape recordings are almost never done because such recordation is – believe it or not – against formal written FBI policy. Therefore, the 302 report becomes the sole arbiter of what was, and was not, said; moreover, as we will see below, any interviewee who contests its accuracy risks prosecution. (from a 7/27/2011 Forbes article by Harvey Silvergate)

    Here’s the relevant section in the Motion to Compel Discovery filing BB posted below:
    “…the government responded to the defense discovery letter. The government provided a brief summary of certain potentially
    mitigating “facts” derived from witness statements, but did not provide the FBI 302s or grand jury transcripts, or other materials from which those “facts” were extracted.1” (pg 3, para 1)
    Mitigation in a potential death penalty case and this is the response to defense’s discovery request–pick & choose what is relevant for defense counsel. Hmmm.

    • $73803457 says:

      in other words the deck is stacked unless there is a guardian angel dropping notes in Judy Clark’s handbag – right?

    • Missie Baker says:

      Seems strong possibility of potential violation of constitutionally protected rights here as cited in the first filing. Assume prosecution’s response is national security exceptions, etc. (although I don’t know.) Wonder if this isn’t just legal maneuvering to sweeten the terms of a plea deal or obtain some other concessions? I also wouldn’t count on a Guardian Angel–where was DT’s the night of the Watertown shoooootout? (trying to follow downthread–very confusing.)
      In response to BB;s comment about MA court arraignment, here is SS of a twitter account I am now following:

    • $73803457 says:

      Bingo! BB posted an excellent article earlier today – FBI and informants looked really bad and stupid at the same in the Whitey Bulger trial. I can hear the bot – “must avoid trial at all costs.”
      What SS? Oh thats right you all want me to be twitter kind of guy – well maybe.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Posted where? (not on the F1 blog?) Check your email, pls.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      It’s just like when Dubya first took power……..no need to count all the votes. No need for all the evidence to be considered………we know the answers we want, so we know what questions to ask…….and we’ll even write your answers for you.

      Do I take it then, that Mr.T was now NOT ‘responding in writing’ during the hospital interrogation ?

    • Missie Baker says:

      S: ergh, you had to mention that man’s moniker….skin is crawling…. Honestly, S, will have to reread the entire document again, but what do we know of the High Value Interrogation team claims v. what happened in that hospital room? (I cover a lot of this in my new boat-confession analysis post on the blog, Forum2.) CBS’s Miller said DT confessed to the bombing, gave “collateral damage” as the reason for it–Muslims civilians killed by US bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan, and called the written note on the side of boat part manifesto, part suicide and part justification…. The brothers acted alone, we were also told. Some of the information that came out of the questioning period of a patient whose condition was listed as “critical” is rather amazing in detail, plus we had all sorts of reports that DT could not talk, would never talk again, etc. My goodness–there is all sorts of case history in the law concerning “false confessions”–suspects coerced into confessing crimes they did NOT commit–and are later released after being convicted and serving time. I just don’t know what to think–if you were in critical condition–how much could what you wrote be accepted as true–could you even write-being heavily medicated..not to mention he repeatedly asked for counsel and was denied–if you knew enough to ask for counsel–why would you then confess to the criminal act? Logical fallacy? IDK

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Made up. If not then believable as made up.Whatever the FBI said he said, since Boston has jurisdiction, it cannot be used. No Miranda. IF the FBI had obtained jurisdiction it would be different. Turf wars thank heavens. Have you checked this this yet?

    • Guest says:

      I don’t mean this as any criticism, but you write as though you have never had the sort of painkillers that are given following major surgery. I hope you never have, and never will.

      I have, including (possibly) the very same Dilaudid. No way I’d have been able to write. That stuff makes you really passive, and generally compliant and agreeable. Perception of reality is altered to the extent that although you can still actually feel pain, it somehow doesn’t mean the same thing. It doesn’t bother you, and neither does anything else. If it was me, I’d have probably ‘fessed up to JFK, Abe Lincoln, and Shergar. I might well have enough about me to ask for a lawyer. After all, I had enough about me to buzz for a nurse. Even if the haze is thick, there’s sometimes a certain clarity about what it is you need to do, even if it’s only one thing. (Mine was ‘remember to keep breathing’ – seriously.)

      Recall what people say/agree to when they’ve had a few too many drinks, crank it up a thousand times, add to that the anaesthetics hangover (it can take weeks to clear properly from your system), and further heavy sedation (common scenario) and the wish that these fellas with the questions would just go away. You might not even be able to consistently distinguish what’s real and what’s not. I know I couldn’t. It’s like that for at least a week.

      As well as all the other injuries, we’re also dealing with the immediate aftermath of a severe head injury – ie a skull-base fracture. With head injury, anything’s possible.

      I suppose that much depends on the legal standards to which evidence is held. Is a confession required to have been given voluntarily ? with clear knowledge and understanding of the consequences ? whilst compos mentis ?

      Incapacitated as he undoubtedly was at the time, Mr.T was completely at the mercy of those around him – ie the elite Osama-busters squad. Why were they ever let in there in the first place ?

      One possibility: they get in there, and they know the answers they want. He’s not fit to be questioned, but full advantage is taken..It all gets put a stop to before he signs anything.

      When I say ‘they know the answers they want’, it’s not some general cynicism about abuse of power. All you have to do is examine the language in the public statements made by LE and the president himself. They’re apparently satisfied that he’s guilty even before he’s been charged. I’ve been working on a little piece for the blog about that. Watch the Obama speech of the 19th, in the immediate aftermath. He’s effectively pronounced the brothers guilty:

      ‘Obviously tonight there are still many
      unanswered questions. Among them, why did young men who grew up and
      studied here, as part of our communities and our country, resort to
      such violence , how did they plan and carry out these attacks, and
      did they receive any help?’………..’.We will determine what happened, we
      will investigate any associations that these terrorists may have
      had’……. ‘One thing we do know, is that whatever hateful
      agenda drove these men to such heinous acts will not, cannot prevail’. et cetera….

      Yet, having pronounced them guilty, he then stresses the importance of not rushing to judgement, and of getting it right.

      The various FBI statements speak for themselves. All are public statements, all imply (though only just implicit as opposed to explicit) that it’s over, we got the bad guys, and now they’re going to face justice.

      That was in the immediate wake of Mr.T’s capture. April 19th. Pronounced guilty. Obama’s a legal scholar, so what’s his excuse ?

      They know it’s BS, they need to cover their collective a*se, Abracadabra, the note in the boat ! What a stroke of luck. And as you so delightfully pointed out, served up to the public by former FBI operator Miller. He’s the inside man, so it MUST be true…Great points about chain of custody and preservation of evidence as well – nice one.

      Again, something I’m including in the article I’m working on: the stilted language, the tone, and the whole cliché about ideology, manifesto, etc. I suspect that, once it was realised that Mr.T wasn’t what they’d expected, or needed him to be, there was a clumsy revision of the note in the boat, to reflect what had by then emerged.

      As to logical fallacy – I’m still wondering why I’m not locked up for having shot JR.

      It’s all BS.

    • $73803457 says:

      Hard to argue with that. Bravo!

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Thankyou Sir.
      There’s a fair few who’d banked on this being over long ago. Now it’s gone off-script, and the more it goes on, the more can come out….let’s keep our eye on the ball.

    • otterdaughter says:

      i once had an oral sedative before a dental procedure.
      i told the dentist my husband worked at burger king making strawberry milkshakes. i was quite certain, i am told, that he ONLY made strawberry shakes. no fries. no “straws are in the bag” just sb shakes.
      i have no memory of it. and i didn’t even have a head injury!
      no rational person would hold that kid responsible for whatever it was he said. if he said anything at all.
      but…that’s okay! he’s a terrorist! i know this is a fact because i saw it on tv.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      ….yeh, Mr.Miller on CBS knows the score, he has inside info, he won’t be wrong.

      Since when did ‘rational’ feature in this case ?

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Miller: Islamophobe extraordinaire!

    • Missie Baker says:

      Mrs. P. Do you have ‘dirt’ on this subject? Share if you can, would love to see anything, you sound as though you have some inside knowledge here! Thank you! (definitely leaving thread now, I promise)

    • Guest says:

      Shoo! LOL

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Dirt? Well, no, not exactly. But the lines between media and LE are blurred to
      such an extent – in the persona of John Miller – that it should be extremely
      worrying to everyone. The man’s been a journalist, spokesperson for police, journalist again, police again (counter terrorism), FBI (for public relations and media relations), and back to journalist once again. I find this relationship extremely unhealthy.

      All that crap that was thrown out in the aftermath of the Osama bin Laden killing – and was consequently lapped up by each and every news agency around the globe – came from his mouth/pen. Because of people like him, the word ‘terrorism’ has become almost synonymous with ‘Muslims’/’Islam’.

      From an Aug 5 article on this site (Monday Morning Skeptic: Questioning Authority in the Sprawling Boston Bombing Case): “This has become a pattern for the FBI. Information is channeled without specific attribution through the major media, especially via John Miller, a CBS correspondent who once served as the agency’s spokesman. Often, the information
      has been flatly wrong.”

      Video about some of his ‘scoops’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbjwKedxTY

      Miller orchestrated the story about the BMB more than anyone else, including DT’s boat confession including his jihadist motives, the reasons for the Collier killing (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/23/miller-tsarnaev-brothers-killed-mit-officer-because-they-needed-a-gun/ – this is such major BS). Here’s an interview with Donahue. Interestingly, in Russ Baker’s article above this comment section, it is said that Donahue remembers “nothing” about the night, but of course Miller makes him remember it
      http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50146750n

    • Missie Baker says:

      Mrs. P. Thank you for the research! You spent some time on this–I had no idea. Fascinating.

    • Missie Baker says:

      S: Amazing post, thank you, I will have to reread it again before I can form a faintly coherent response. On pain pills, I tend to zone out and fall asleep–very loud buzzing in my ears. I believe you are absolutely accurate in your assessment of what DT’s condition must have been, the pliable, will-less struggle to understand and just be left alone. (Now, I was very pleased you are planning to post a new article on the blog.)
      Meanwhile, I have a question for consideration. I’ve read DT rose from the boat (probably to surrender?) and that was when the gunfire started. (so sad if true) Just your opinion–could those SWAT/sharpshooters shown sprawled on their bellies on the roof of what appears to be a garden shed or possibly detached garage, with the red pointers on their weapons, at that time shot him in the mouth? Suppose he had his mouth open to speak–taking a head shot for example…just wild speculation here, I’ve been puzzling on this one for quite a while. Thanks for the feedback, I really need to digest it before responding. (and I’m GTS, as should you, S) Will reply in the morning so I don’t make a fool of myself…maybe.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      I’m not S, so I hope you don’t mind my reply.
      I don’t think he was shot in the mouth – mouth here being the opening between the lips. The bullet entered from the back of the neck and left through the cheek (according to Mamuya T) – so, mouth being ‘oral cavity’ rather than the opening between the lips.

    • Missie Baker says:

      Ah, as in Dr. Odom, or someone else? (I need to reread, pea brain saw “mouth” as “lips” Thanks for the clarification! (and ‘Later, must sleep now)

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      Odom, yes. Where he says mouth, I think he means oral cavity, rather than the opening between the lips.

      Goodnight!

    • Missie Baker says:

      To answer your lengthy post, in response to the Boat confession questions article I posted on http://www.allthingsforum2.blogspot.com (ahem)

      It’s impossible to do much more than cut-and-paste on these topics because the reader is both difficult to identify and gauge level of knowledge/education–it’s all over the map, literally. So, while I had to write a bit about the bedside confession and coercion, my main point was to focus on the boat confession and the possible objectives of the prosecution in releasing it as they did. I also wanted to float a few issues I had with the content, and the production.
      Since I am not a skilled author, I also often have difficulty succinctly stating my point. (Hemingway I’m not) Your points about the bedside confession are very valid–I encourage you to take your comments and develop them into a brief NIP(500 words or less)for Forum2–we can delete the pasted excerpt in the comment no one will ever read and post your NIP as part of the confessions saga BB mentioned. I believe there is much to cover in this arena, and actually, we should try some varied ways of catching the reader’s attention.
      Stats are in, and only about 1 in 6 readers find anything of interest on Forum1 that spurs them to open an article (let alone read it–no way to determine that one.) Some sort of flip card of images might be a good break–not everyone wants to read a long, tortured presentation on a subject, broken up by a few already heavily over-viewed photos. If our goal is to educate, I’d like to increase our “page views” rate to 1 in 5 or better, so varied content and presentation are possibly in order. (Others please weigh in)

      As for Obama, his cross is his “young Muslim” hysteric-history that idiots just cannot get past. If the Donald says it, by golly it must be true…. (I’m sure there are birthers on this site who have already pressed the down vote hatch symbol. To them I say, Yeah, Romney and McCain were such much better choices.)
      So my good President has the daunting tasks at events like the Marathon bombings of assuring the nimrods he is not sympathizing with his Muslim brothers and their terror activities while wearing his Head of State hat (Stay calm, don’t worry) and weave a bit of his liberal leftie Legalese into his statements to assure his blue blooded liberal base, while….etc. I don’t envy him the job, and I support him 100%

      To my earlier point, I was in LV for a wedding a year ago, and while happily minding my own business as the reception crowd began to disperse, a fairly normal MA woman approached me to whom I been briefly introduced. We were chatting aimlessly, my mind elsewhere, when she stops, catching my attention. Staring me right in the face, a look of sincere concern on her face, she tells me: “You know, Obama is not a Christian.”
      And that is why I am and always will be a Democrat.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      If you want readers then you have to get away from a linear presentation. Only well educated people will read it and not happily for many. The masses will never read it and they are whom we want. Or I do at any rate. If they don’t rise up against the way Dzokhar is being treated then nothing is going to be done without yammering loudly.

      And OMG how I hate Obama. For being a liar firstly. And for politics being a charade.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      And as long as no one can comment there can be no discussion. I have given up mentioning this tho as it does no good. My blogs are all comment enabled so I don’t know why yours aren’t. This reduces reader participation drastically.

    • Guest says:

      I’ll get to this when my brain’s back in working order…

      I agree about the presentation of the content, but I know nothing of website design or even posting.

      To some extent I agree with ab: linearity is not necessarily what works best. When I was learning electronics, there was endless new jargon to get my head around. I ended up drawing it all instead of doing notes. ‘Parasitic capacitance’….started with drawing a bug, got into mind-maps, it works.

      I think we need just a single site, but with clearly-delineated sections. Also, a ‘photo-album’ style layout, with shorter titles for each article, as well as a coloured graphic. A house style, as it were – a serif font as they’re easier to read than sans-serif. A clearer, more compact organisation of topics, and where to find them. It’s very difficult when you don’t know who you’re pitching to.

      The flipcard approach is a good idea, and need not be restricted to visuals. For example, there could be a short but powerful statement on a card, with (in smaller letters) a direction to a fuller article on that subject. No reason why we could not have several ‘levels’ for each article: the skeleton (quick-facts style), the ‘lite’ (a given word limit) , and the full-on, referenced article. (a bit like a menu). In one sense that’s already operating, but it needs to be more cohesive. I’ll have a further think about this. Is there a way of getting up a simple, striking jpg as a type of badge ? – in the sense that when people see that symbol, they’ll know what it is/where to go ? I’ve seen a lot of things tonight on the web where our site’s been mentioned and recommended, so the name is very much out there – but only if it already means something to the reader. Any reference to it needs to be eyecatching. Make it easier for people to find us. Can we get connected with other blogs, or would that contravene the requirement of journalistic neutrality ? One thing that struck me was that there’s many out there who are serious about this; not least of which is Mr.Todashev’s sister in law. Partisan inevitably, though absolutely straight-dealing. A serious need to pursue matters and to keep asking the important questions. I don’t know if they’d want to link with us, but I’ll have to get to that one later. Eyes spinning at this point. 06:00……

      As to Obama – he’s lucky he’s still alive. I wouldn’t mind betting that there’s still a few out there who feel genuinely ripped off over the abolition of slavery, and it only takes one…….There’ll be people like that all over the world, in every walk of life. I don’t envy him his job either – most of the time he’ll be having to watch his back. Dealing with intrigue and treachery is probably the most draining aspect of all – and that’s before having to take on the ‘I’m alright Jack’ element and the birth-cert lunatics. There’s plenty who live to spite him and would oppose him no matter what he said or did, and he’s been up against it. That said, I’d have voted for him myself.

      I suppose the big disappointment about that speech is that he DOES know better. He’s not some naive half-wit: he started in community law/legal aid, he knows it’s not black hats and white hats (talk about ironic……). He KNOWS it was out of order, so you wonder who’s applying that sort of pressure, and in what way.

    • Missie Baker says:

      S: eyes spinning? mine are burning, this is my g’night post. You are describing a web site, not a blog. I’m coming to agree maybe the one site would be best, but we have so many writers, and so little “above the fold” space that a) it is impossible to find anything, and b) everyone needs a chance to grab the attention of the reader–one reason I posted on Forum2 so your False Gods article would have more “top of the page” time. The graphics cohesion is an appropriate goal. I believe we can obtain a free website, but we have to agree to advertising, and once we built a site, we’d be locked in. We also need to increase the quality of our content–original work is much better than cut & paste bits & pieces. I’ve looked far and wide for other designs, but when we go outside the “static” format, we lose commenting abilities, and the further we customize, the less Google is committed or interested in supporting our “free” blog. They are in it for the revenues from placing advertising, so there’s another strike against it. I’ve checked out WordPress, which has had some bad press in the past, and still seems a little complicated. But I can keep looking–links are fine, but coming from some marketing background, I don’t like to load up our site with directions to other sites, IYKWIM. I didn’t know about Todashev’s SIL–will have to search that site. And there’s the rub for me–our mandate is to utilize publicly available tools to draw our own conclusions. We have to stick to that mandate–no original scrounging around, for a lot of very good, and legal reasons. But I do believe we are already seeing natural categories emerge. If we had a “writing” plan, instead of helter-skelter, we’d be operating more efficiently. (although it becomes more like work, less like discovery.) IDK
      ’til morn. (p.s. you cannot get into the blog to edit your work because I don’t have an gmail address for you–looked today, and could not find.) Thanks for your thoughts.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Thanks. I’ll get back to you on this. I don’t know the difference between a website and a blog, and probably won’t when I wake up. Have a good sleep.

      EDIT. I don’t care if my article is top spot or not…blaze away with your note in the boat, put it onto forum1.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I use blogspot and do not have the problems you have. Take a look. It’s quiet now because I haven’t been promoting mine but yours. http://moviesandfilm.blogspot.com/ My strategy is to have content that often is timely but not always, but that is relevant with no end in sight. That way people read for 4 years of content. The most popular ones are listed in scroll down before you get to the most recent and so they are often hit after the recent reading that I have promoted. My format is different and I do like yours, but I agree you are not getting the readership you deserve or need. If you allow links in comments and on posts you OPEN your system instead of closing it. Also when you like another site enough to link, you may also want to put it on your blog list. That way you gather friends in this community and they in turn link to you. A big networking wheel. If you keep it closed as to links you drive people away as they can still get an idea of someone else’s site and put it in the search engine and then they are gone. Your blog list can be most popular over time (my choice) or most recent, or other choices.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Then in recent posts you can link back to another post so you don’t have to repeat yourself and that way you induce people to read past blog posts.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      A head injury. That clinches it. No way in his right mind after that and with all that pain and medication? Are people really so stupid that they think anything he said – anything – could be considered serious. A boat confession. That could be made up easily.

    • Renny says:

      I think that he wasn’t able to write or talk in that condition. They probably just made it all up regarding what he said. There were also some claims that DT is left-handed. Not sure if it was based only on photos or any real knowledge. Is there any chance we could get that confirmed? That could mean not only he couldn’t write the message in the boat, but he couldn’t answer any questions in the hospital in writing either.

    • Indi says:

      Hi Renny. I was always curious about DT being right or left-handed. In internet You find people stating both. But Tamerlan was left-handed, that information seems to be accurate.

    • Guest says:

      Lefthandedness can run in families, and not always how you’d expect. A friend of mine and his wife are both right handed but have two left-handed sons.

    • Indi says:

      I wish I was a leftie Saunders. I always found them so cool. In my Architecture course at the University many were left-handed. They were all really good drawers.

    • Guest says:

      You seem to have done pretty well as a right-hander……

      Can’t draw to save my life ! Technical drawing yes, anything else, no chance. Architecture is one of about half a dozen walks of life where there’s more lefties than in the general population. I think it’s to do with how the spatial perception part of the brain is wired..or that’s part of it.

      You’re the first person I’ve ever heard describe left-handedness as ‘cool’ ! Believe me, most of the time it’s not. We get told we’re doing everything the wrong way round, and out of perversity at that. There’s efforts to ‘reform’ us from an early age, then when we don’t, there’s a whole world of right-handed implements, machinery, and other equipment to get a grip of – or not. I was barred from the woodworking machines at school……it can be perilous.

      But we’re just wired that way, and thousands of years of cultural and religious disapproval’s not going to change that.

    • Guest says:

      ‘Depicted’ twice with the phone in his left hand. Even though those images are composites, it’s interesting. I haven’t found any pictures that suggest that Mr.T’s left-handed, but there is perhaps one clue. There’s an earlier (ie well before the marathon) picture of him standing indoors doing a kind of Usain Bolt pose. He’s doing it as a leftie would. If you consider that pose, alter it a bit until you have an archer’s stance, the bow would be steadied with the right hand, the string and arrow in the left. That’s left-handed.

      Some people are mixed-brained in that sense, so a left-handed stance may not mean left-handed for writing. However, it would be more unusual for a right-hander to take up a left-hander stance than the other way round.

      Perhaps with being so strongly left-handed myself, it’s just not part of my wiring to assume right-handedness. With the modern world being set up for right-handers (tools, gadgets, scissors, etc), left-handedness still tends to get under the radar. but I’m not right-handed, so I don’t know how far under the radar it might be !

      Maybe that’s one for you Renny, to find right/left……….

      EDIT
      Many natural left-handers are forced to ‘be’ right-handed – culture, authority, etc. Even if they end up writing with the wrong hand (ie the right hand), other left-handed traits remain. It’s difficult to tell. There’s a few pictures out there suggesting to me that Mr.T shows some visible signs of leftie wiring.

    • Renny says:

      Well, apart from that composite picture with the phone, I think it was stated in the indictment as well that he was holding the phone in his left hand, while having the backpack on, with the right thumb under the strap. The only picture I found confirming his lefthandedness is this one. It’s a screenshot of a very short video he posted.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Hi Renny – read my reply a couple of posts up – he was a lefty. His mom indicated as such.

    • Renny says:

      Thank you, Baby B. Do you think it’s important? Because they built the whole thing now on his “confessions” and the confession in the hospital was also supposed to be in writing…but if he was unable to write 3 months after, then the whole thing is just a made up BS…and there was no confession whatsoever. I mean the BS of the note in the boat was obvious from the getgo, but it was hard to undermine the interrogation from the hospital, as there was obviously no official record of what happened there. Basically, if he was unable to talk and unable to write….how did they get the information from him? By telepathy?
      I obviously know that they made up the whole confession thing, but this is one more logical argument that we could use against them. What do you think?

    • Baby Blake says:

      Maybe he could write a little with the other hand? I’d love them to try and whip that out – barely illegible scribble that looks like it’s been written by the average 5 yr old. How embarrassing. We’re debating the why’s and where fore’s of the confession, but my own view is that it was probably never admissible anyway – if it even existed. The ‘confession’ served the narrative at the time which is why they made such a big deal of it – knowing the whole time that it was actually going nowhere, whether it existed, was coerced, or not.

    • $73803457 says:

      you got that right! And that has been the whole parade from beginning to end – right down Bolyston as it were.

    • Renny says:

      The why of the confession is obvious – they don’t have any proper evidence against him that they could use. The so called “chilling” video obviously doesn’t exist either and they just have no evidence other than their own photoshopped pictures of him in front of the Forum.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Well here is ‘exhibit A’ .

    • $73803457 says:

      Wow had not seen that in its entirety –

    • Renny says:

      Thanks. Just read your article at the blog. Great stuff, well researched. I wish we could find a way to spread it around more. As you point out in the article – people that applaud the treatment he got from LE have to understand that one day they might be subject to the very same treatment themselves.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      …..no way of knowing whether Mr.T was ever at the Forum or not.

    • $73803457 says:

      I think I have a wrestling video or two of his – that might suggest to us lefty vs righty – by his feet positioning what hand he grabs with – the side he rolls to or which side he uses to lift himself up with – worth a look see.

    • Renny says:

      That’s what I was not sure of. I don’t know anything about wrestling, but would it be normally indicated in a match record or in some kind of league statistics if there’s anything like that? Just curious.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I’m going mad here! I’ll say it again. I Have an email from his MOTHER indicating he was a lefty.

    • Renny says:

      LOL. We know, but can we use it as official confirmation?…you know for the non-believers. As part of a campaign based on facts? Cuz people can just say “oh well, she’s his Mom, she would say anything” :)

    • Baby Blake says:

      Probably not! And your right – she could of made the whole thing up. I’ll find it.

    • Indi says:

      BB, is there a way to post that in the blog? It seems that there is no definite answer out there in the web, so it would be nice if the blog would deliver this information.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I need to find it first. I’ll find it and post it here.

    • $73803457 says:

      got it RB – I posted after I saw yours – a thousand apologies and I will make offerings to the gods this evening at dusk…

    • Baby Blake says:

      I’ll let you off just this once…!
      Did you receive the email about the ‘ears’?

    • $73803457 says:

      yes – they are a match – no?
      We can probably get a good comparison from the screen grab or the pik from inside the Forum – I am doing Missie a boat favor right now….but will look at those in a few – will post up top

    • Baby Blake says:

      At first glance – it’s a bit iffy. Spend five minutes on the intracacies of them and …yes. A bit of an unnerving find to say the least.
      Saunders is apparently trawling through the forum pics looking for a potential ear of our mystery man.

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      What have I missed ? Do you know it’s kosher ?

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Right foot forward, left foot back ?

    • otterdaughter says:

      right foot forward, left foot back, yep. can be seen in this video about halfway thru, and in others…

      i’m posting this video bc it has the best music…with the most sophisticated, poetic lyrics…ever!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_4-W_0rJnQ

    • Guest says:

      What’s the particular appeal ? I’m not familiar with that lyric style. What’s actually being voiced ?

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Thanks Renny.

    • Renny says:

      Saunders, if you remember our conversation a few days ago regarding the VKontakte profile of DT – I found a screenshot of the profile you probably had in mind – the one that has been widely publicized. Well, it’s not the same I was looking at when I was trying to find out the information for you. The one I was looking at had no info about relationship status or education, no beliefs, personal priorities or groups of interest. The picture was the same and there were 5 noteworthy pages on the left side as well, starting with the one you can see in the pic….so I’m not sure now…if maybe originally it was his own profile, but someone got into it after his name was published…and edited out or added some stuff?? (note:the red circles are not mine)

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Thanks Renny.

    • Renny says:

      FWIW, I talked to my Mom regarding the podstava video – she speaks some Russian, so I was hoping she would be able to understand what’s being said. Unfortunately, she said that the audio quality was so bad she could not understand anything. She also said it didn’t really sound Russian to her. Not proper Russian that is – so it might be a dialect or a strange accent…

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Nice catch, Renny.

    • otterdaughter says:

      don’t know if this one helps, but here it is:

    • SaundersGreenAndNotBlue says:

      Thanks.

    • Baby Blake says:

      I have an email from his mother in which she states he could not reply to any of his mail because his hand was in such bad shape – before they put the SAMs restrictions on him.
      Indicates he was a lefty.

    • $73803457 says:

      You pulled this off on of the free Jahar sites…right? Just clarifying for the record.

    • Baby Blake says:

      Not my own personal email Coach, no.

    • $73803457 says:

      Just for the record…YKW (you know who) will be askin…..

    • Renny says:

      That’s what I was wondering. If we had any indication from his family or friends about him being a lefty.
      I mean, if his left hand was still in cast in July that would mean the damage to the hand was quite extensive. So, how exactly was he able to write a confession? In the boat or in the hospital?
      It’s a shame the family is gagged now, but it seems like the prosecutors are quite desperate to get him and they just won’t give him a chance for a trial.

    • patfromuk says:

      The confession is also a maze.Yes, we were told that due to throat injury, DT could not talk so had to write his confession. We were also told that this confession was only progressing slowly because DT was falling in and out of consciousness.Latter on, it seems that the mother proclaimed that there was no confession because DT was too ill…This can no longer be checked with the mother as she is not allowed to speak about the case nor give details of DT.

    • Gaston Lagaffe says:

      “The source documents would reveal several critical facts affecting the credibility and reliability of the information, e.g., the date, time and place of the interview, the presence of others, including counsel, whether or not the individual was read, asserted or waived Miranda rights and the context of the excerpted information”. (p.9)

      This is a reference to the hospital ‘confession’, I suppose?

    • Missie Baker says:

      Greetings, Mrs. P, and yes, that is exactly what I understood as well. Nice to make your acquaintance again in real time, but now I’m off to sleep time, eyelids need toothpicks… “…tomorrow, tomorrow” as I dance off the stage….