The Lost and “Found ID” Oddity in Terror Cases—Stupid or Sinister? - WhoWhatWhy

The Lost and “Found ID” Oddity in Terror Cases—Stupid or Sinister?

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One intriguing—if barely discussed—aspect of the Paris massacre was the quick progress authorities made in their investigation.

According to CNN, this was thanks to a staggering error—by one of the two now-dead alleged perpetrators. The man, Said Kouachi, reportedly left his identification card in the abandoned getaway vehicle. “It was their only mistake,” Dominique Rizet, police and justice consultant for CNN-affiliate BFMTV, opined.

Said Kouachi's ID card.  Allegedly found in the getaway car.

Said Kouachi’s ID card. Allegedly found in the getaway car.

2Nonetheless, it was a most curious mistake.

After all, this is the same man who went to such trouble to seemingly hide his identity by wearing a mask.


Intriguingly, such apparent gaffes have marked other watershed violence. Consider these examples, and draw your own conclusion:

The Bundle of James Earl Ray: The accused killer of Martin Luther King escaped from a prison shortly before the attack, and left several items on the sidewalk near the assassination site—in a bundle that included his rifle, binoculars, clothing, his prison radio, and a newspaper clipping revealing where King would be staying.

The Wallet of Lee Harvey Oswald: The alleged assassin of John F. Kennedy and killer of Officer J.D.Tippit purportedly dropped his wallet, which was found at the scene of Tippit’s murder. To some, this appeared a little too neat. In any case, original law enforcement reports with this scenario were almost immediately replaced by another version: that the police took the wallet from him after he was arrested. (See “Assignment: Oswald” by former FBI agent James P. Hosty.)

The Visa of Satam al-Suqami: This identify document of one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers somehow survived unscathed a few blocks from the twin towers, though the plane itself was virtually obliterated.

The Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al-Ghamdi: The passports of two alleged hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly survived the fiery crash in Pennsylvania that left the aircraft itself charred and widely scattered—with one passport entirely intact.

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44 responses to “The Lost and “Found ID” Oddity in Terror Cases—Stupid or Sinister?”

  1. Avatar eyes open says:

    Have you put in your job application for the evening news? By your own words; “grow up”, which includes using your inteligence to understand events, as in probabilities of something being a mere “circumstance” or another of hundreds of circumstances, at which point the probability of “chance” is simply out of question . . . . . that is for thinking people.

  2. Avatar omar cluck says:

    Let’s see. A jet crashes, some objects get charred, others get “widely scattered” – without being burned – if you’ve ever actually paid attention to photos or film of crash sites of jets, you may have noticed that. So why is it supposed to be so incredible that an I.D. or passport didn’t get burned in a jet crash? Maybe because you all want to find a conspiracy so badly in every event that happens in the news? Grow up.

    • Avatar omar cluck says:

      Another point: Kouachi called into a radio station within hours of his crime, identified himself, and was bragging about what he did. Hardly the act of someone who was trying to hide their identity. Baker conveniently left this fact out of his article. I’m starting to wonder if I can trust this website to give me the whole news.

    • Avatar Common Man says:

      Kouachi called the radio station while pinned down in the printing factory. His concealing his identity didn’t matter to him at that point.

    • Avatar Conspiracy Twit says:

      the point is not whether Kouachi was responsible, but to what extent he was abetted by authorities. the reasonable way to carry out a false flag attack is to covertly enlist people who really do mean to do harm and help them along, as the FBI did with the first WTC bombers.

      then, you conveniently find the ID of the attacker you already knew about.

    • Avatar Common Man says:

      Conspiracy? You mean SOP for framing a political assassin, assuming the sinister. There’s no suggestion that any of the cases are related.

    • Avatar omniadeo says:

      Let’s see, a plane explodes. The only passport found is found before the buildings come down by an unknown man in a suit who gives it to the police on the side of the building hit by the plane. No police report is filed with the name of this very important witness, even though he happens to be a crucial the link that would allow the evidence to be used in court. Without him the chain of custody is broken. But the news media is informed almost immediately. The only passports found on other flights were found during careful exhaustive searches (and may have been planted then too–we don’t know).

      We do not need your examples of “photos or film of crash sites of jets” because as it so happens, we have photos of the area in THIS crash. Remember, the passport was found before the buildings came down. Please show me a photo that shows “widely scatterd debris” from the plane Suqami was on.

      In every one of the cases mentioned in the article, the “i.d. found at the scene” creates an initial impression in the media and the public that “everybody knows _______ did it!” The work of careful researchers who question that impression, armed with well documented research and incontrovertible fact, is then ignored and dismissed with insults like “grow up.”

      It makes me want to do something that rhymes with “grow up.”

    • Avatar omar cluck says:

      Let’s see. The two tallest skyscrapers in New York come down within an hour of each other, 200 firemen dead, communications down, the city in chaos, and you think it is curious the police didn’t interview and get the name of the man “in a suit” who turned in the passport? How many people wear a suit in downtown New York? Where is all of the debris from the plane? On the roofs of the buildings around the trade center. Ever notice how downtown New York is densely packed with tall buildings? They even found a human foot on top of one building. Your argument that there was no debris from the plane makes no sense. Then you go on to say “The only passports found on other flights were found during careful
      exhaustive searches (and may have been planted then too–we don’t know)”. Even after a careful exhaustive search, you are ready to believe the passport was planted. You prove my point. Conspiracy nuts are ready to find a conspiracy under every leaf, and just make legitimate conspiracy questions look foolish. You don’t help.

    • Avatar Robert says:

      Well first off the police’s job is to take down the info. It is part of the chain of evidence.

      Second no the debris didn’t end up on the tops of the other buildings. They got destroyed in the crash or didn’t you hear the report that it got hot enough to melt steel.

      Also they got rid of most of the evidence from the destruction before a proper investigation.

  3. Avatar therealamericro says:

    I would add 9/11 the new pearl harbor (, as well as Chris Hedges speech ( and Naomi Wolf’s speech (

  4. Avatar Criminality Rules says:

    “The Lost and “Found ID” Oddity in Terror Cases—Stupid or Sinister?”

    Based on Amerika’s track record thus far, I’m going to have to go with “Stupidly Sinister’ for $300.

  5. Avatar Cu Chulainn says:

    don’t forget the Bulgarian bus–seems to be a mossad signature

    DNA found on a forged driver’s licence, recovered after being thrown out a window after the explosion, leads investigators to believe…

  6. Avatar musings2 says:

    And to add a cherry on top – not only was the Oswald-Tippit story changed before most even heard it (but I always wondered how they could connect him to Tippit and then find him at the theatre after someone phoned the police that someone had sneaked in without paying – hardly something you’d send the squad cars for) === but the 9/11 hijackers who were scattering their unburnable ID everywhere included Mohammed Atta (originally). This is all some people need to believe, bless their trusting little hearts.

  7. Avatar Anti_Govt_Rebel says:

    No wonder they want to regulate the internet, with opinions like this getting out into the public!

  8. Perhaps the government should investigate issuing fire resistant identity papers in the pursuance of more credible propaganda.

  9. Avatar MrLiberty says:

    We must all withdraw our support for government in general. Give anyone the tacit authority to rule over you and this will ALWAYS be the result. Voluntary associations among people can address all societal needs without the requirement of authoritarian government that maintains the legal monopoly on power and coercion. It is the only way to preserve civil society.

    • Avatar musings2 says:

      Would that it were so simple to ignore them. They find ways to ride you, if you live anywhere worth living.

  10. Avatar babydriver says:

    Our government has been manipulating the US citizen with lies for decades.

  11. Avatar Man on the street says:

    Regarding 9/11, I have three points that need to be addressed freely in this country if we insist on calling ourselves a free country.
    1- tower 7 falling on its foot print resembles control demolishion?
    2- the airplane that collided with the Pentagone must have left things like wings, engines, and plane seats? Where are these items?
    3- the cell phone conversation on the Penselvania plane was not technically possible? So let us say it was a lie! The plane itself crashed in the ground, where nothing left of it?

    • Don’t forget the fact that NORAD was ordered to stand down by the vice-traitor Cheney, or else all of the planes would have met the same fate as the one that was shot down over Pennsylvania by a fighter jet from Montana, which is in a different NORAD sector.

    • Avatar musings2 says:

      Are you sure it was shot down? Or did it never exist?

    • Hell, it might be sitting on Diego Garcia alongside a Malaysian 777.

    • Avatar HelloDolly says:

      Don’t forget the 28 pages redacted out of the 9/11 Commission report that basically say high ups in Saudi Arabia financed some of the “hijackers.”

      Or how the CIA did a study in ’99 on what happens if somebody sends anthrax through the mail.

    • IMO, redacting things from a government report is like tearing pages out of a pornographic novel.

    • Avatar musings2 says:

      The problem is not the cheesy special effects which anyone can see through. The problem is the public who cannot stand to face the implications that they are false. This is a scared population – which compared to most others, ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

    • Avatar Magua1952 says:

      I biked to the Pentagon, as close as they would let me, and I saw plane debris a day after the attack. No idea where those things are now. I also heard the explosion while driving within a few miles of the Pentagon. I first thought it was some kind of construction blasting until I heard reports on the radio.

    • Avatar Man on the street says:

      Did you know that the government immediately confiscated the video takes from the gas station, and other facilities nearby that had security cameras. Where are these footage?

    • Avatar Magua1952 says:

      As one who happens to live near there I have passed the Pentagon hundreds of times. It is a sprawling building surrounded by a large parking lot. To the West are the grounds of the Arlington Memorial cemetery. Southwest there is an array of heavily traveled highways. To the east, more roads, railways and the Potomac River. The closest gas station was on South Joyce St–southwest. It is no longer in place.
      Whatever cameras were at the gas station would not be likely to provide a view of where the jet hit the building. The view would be obstructed by various highways and overpasses and it was not very close to the Pentagon, maybe half a mile. The cameras would have to have pointed to the Eastern horizon which would be strange for a gas station. Other security cameras might have been located at the Air Force Memorial or the small Pentagon Memorial. There is no commercial activity within about half a mile or more.
      I actually saw the destroyed part of the building with obvious jet parts, such as the tail, embedded in the building. Security was tight so they wouldn’t let me closer than a couple of hundred yards. It took weeks to clean it all up. I am no expert on plane wrecks but to fake all of that would have been quite a challenge.
      I am a civilian and have no inside information on any of this however I have no doubt there was a crash, the building was damaged and a jet was involved. Not to be argumentative but I saw it.

  12. Avatar Joethecuckleburr says:

    I’m with you on the absurdity of the claim of finding two passports for two alleged passengers on Flight 93, but I never knew that anyone had found the aircraft at all, let alone “charred and scattered.” The coroner from somewhere near the crash site (Shanksville?) was quoted, twenty minutes after his arrival, saying, ” My work here is done. There are no bodies.” Another quote went something like, “It looks like someone just dug a hole and dumped garbage in it.” I’ve often wondered it bigger parts of the airplane had been found somewhere else. Have they? Am I that far behind on the facts?

  13. Avatar goingnowherefast says:

    The global empire syndicate that perpetrates these crimes knows that most people don’t pay close enough attention to notice these things. It’s also no doubt a hint to those that do notice that the same syndicate is behind every attack; their calling card so to speak. Lunatic billionaires letting us know how far they will go to protect their turf.

  14. Avatar NotSurprised says:

    And people thought there was a high intelligence rating demanded for the CIA (or NSA) recruits?

  15. Avatar allanwood says:

    Also: Atta’s luggage was not put on his plane on 9/11 and was left in Boston to be discovered by the feds. (You are not supposed to ask why Atta was traveling with luggage.)

    • Avatar stopmakingsense says:

      He might have carried luggage as way of blending in with other passengers. What’s more interesting is what was in his luggage.

    • Avatar crusadererer says:

      yeah, he had stuff in his luggage that no professional terrorist would ever carry on him. kinda like the trail of box cutters and terrorist manuals him and his buddies left as a trail for the FBI to follow. The FBI curiously noted this as well.

    • Avatar musings2 says:

      Don’t forget the all-important Koran.

    • Avatar Mike Gonzalez says:

      Why not? He had to play the ‘passenger’ part, completely.

    • Avatar crusadererer says:

      I go through airports dozens of times a year and see people traveling without luggage all the time. Are you saying the only way he could get on a plane and pulled it off is if he had luggage with him?

    • Avatar musings2 says:

      Are you kidding? The slick types don’t bother with luggage, just a little carry on. If I were you, I’d stop giving the scenario-writers the outs from their lousy scripts.

    • Avatar diggle says:

      And definitely don’t ask why Atta and the other terrorist (cant remember his name) switched credit cards during the car rental process. You know… the car they used to travel to the airport. they were both going to die anyway. Why argue over which credit card to use?

    • Avatar musings2 says:

      If you live in Boston, you’d also have to ask why he chose that particular motel about fifteen miles from the airport the night before (or did his cohorts choose it – I forget), while someone else stayed near Harvard Square. Kind of getting out in the suburbs for people bent on attacking New York the next day, unless of course that is where the helpers could most conveniently plant the evidence. You choose – which was it?

  16. Avatar Cin says:

    In one word… sinister!

  17. Avatar Gary Welsh says:

    The get-away car had chrome rear-view mirrors; the car in which the ID was found had black rear -view mirrors. Imagine the Kouachi brothers shock when they learned they were being framed just like the Tsarnaev brothers. Perhaps the suicide of the police commissioner wasn’t a suicide after all; he just wasn’t going to play along with another staged terrorist event.