TVWHY: Russ Baker in Santa Fe, Excerpt 1–POWER

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25 responses to “TVWHY: Russ Baker in Santa Fe, Excerpt 1–POWER”

  1. Frank von Winkhorst says:

    Edit at 10:30?

  2. GeoH says:

    Re the death of Hastings. Do you think Richard Clark’s assessment of possibilities in the HuffPo ( )
    is a limited hangout? Clark seems to be the master of these.

    In any case, I wouldn’t use your WHO riches to invest in a fancy Beamer with computerized controls. Better safe than sorry.

  3. skeptical says:

    hi russ, great interview.
    in FOS you make the case for an intimate relationship between the saudi royal family and the bush family. given the fact – which you mentioned in your talk – of solid evidence of saudi royal family involvement in the 9/11 attacks, what if anything do you conclude about the bush family complicity in those attacks? dubya was president at the time, marvin bush was on the board of the company that had responsibility for the security of the WTC complex, and poppy had a lot of free time on his hands to mastermind things………what is your take?

    • Frank von Winkhorst says:

      Well, considering that in the middle of a national ground stop the Saudi family was allowed to fly out of the country, this speaks, at the very least, to a special relationship between George the Idiot and the bin Laden family. The problem, however, with blaming W is that, even to the extent that the president is anything other than a front man, it was Cheney who was actually calling the shots. You may want to read Crossing the Rubicon by Michael C Ruppert, that links 9/11 to peak oil.

    • skeptical says:

      thank you. i’ve read Ruppert and found his work compelling. in response to your point about cheney i suppose i’d rejoin by saying that cheney and rumsfeld are both poppy’s men. my belief is that poppy and they were the masterminds and dubya was along for the ride.
      russ indicated in his santa fe talk that when he listens to an official narrative and it strikes him as strange, he says “that’s strange” and begins digging deeper/asking questions. i find myself doing that same thing with regard to the saudi connection to 9/11. russ seems recently to have uncovered convincing evidence that hi-ranking members of the saudi royal family (not black sheep osama sitting in his cave) helped orchestrate 9/11 (see the florida house story). in FOS he demonstrates some very tight links between the same saudi royals and the bush enterprise. i find it “strange,” to say the very least, that top saudi royals could have been involved in 9/11 without bush family knowledge and/or complicity. it just doesn’t make sense and is . . . well . . . strange.

    • Corey says:

      Good thinking re Cheney and Rumsfeld being Poppy’s men. Remember Ford’s “Halloween Massacre” when the new troupe was brought in. They were merely the newest frontmen for the background guys who setup Nixon. In listening to Russ Tice respond to Abby Martin’s question about who is in ultimate control, he speculates that the intelligence community is. Or more specifically, the descendents of the cabal that brought JFK down. It all makes perfect sense. (If you don’t know who Russ Tice is, you better find out fast.)

      Also keep in mind that Rumsfeld rapidly promoted Keith Alexander to the very top. Why? Did they have some dirt on him through which they could completely control him? Very likely. And if you control that node in the system, you control the entire system…

    • skeptical says:

      all good points, corey. i do know russ tice and from his testimony now understand that blackmail (plus the odd murder or 2 – see phil marshall and hastings) is really the key to the intelligence community keeping its grip on power. the one thing i love about JFK is that, with a few fairly minor exceptions, he was not deterred by hoover’s (and others’) attempts to blackmail him for his womanizing. he seems to have basically said (god bless him), “heck, everybody sleeps around, so i’m gonna do it and still govern the way i want!” incredible, and in my view, highly praiseworthy! the man was far from perfect but was in so many ways so good.

    • Corey says:

      Wow. I’m haunted by the Phil Marshall event. Didn’t even know about it or him. What was the reason?

    • skeptical says:

      yes, just terrible. especially terrible as his two teenage kids were killed as well. as for reasons, apparently similar to hastings, in that phil was apparently working on another 9/11 book that he felt was really going to blow the lid off that op. the investigative reporter wayne madsen is one of the few guys i know who has actually done some on-the-ground research on the murder. you’ll find him on youtube.
      BTW, if you haven’t already done so read Phil’s 9/11 books. in tandem with ruppert’s they paint quite a picture.

    • says:

      Research The Project for the New American Century…PNAC….and you will find that in 1997 the Bush boys, Rove, and the rest of the Neocon group came up with this plan, hardly publicized, to control the world. The agenda was:
      1. Bush had to be elected
      2. Occurrence of horrendous event in US by which the
      public would surrender basic rights
      3. Attack on Iraq
      4. Continued attacks on ME countries
      5. Continuous war around the globe

      This was never widely publicized, and never mentioned during B’s campaign and presidency. We now pay the price in our lives and freedoms as their agenda marches on…..and it looks like they’re progressing quite well on their plan.
      The Bush family? The great grandfather made a massive fortune selling coal to the Nazis. The more recent Bush members? They’ve sold our country to anyone with a the price they demand….power, money, control. Check Georgie’s business history. He failed at everything he did, and admitted his “greatest failure” was a trade while owning a ball club. I’m waiting for him to admit Iraq. But, in ALL his business ventures(failed), the Saudis bailed him out.
      I wonder how any sane human being could EVER in this country vote for any Bush relative…..but there are fools everywhere.
      Georgie….who, in the heat of the Texas summer, to demonstrate his “manhood”, got out in above 100 degree temperature and cut down trees on his ranch? I have pointed out many times that even the dumbest animal knows to find shade or a cool place to be when the temp reaches these levels. Even an earth worm knows to wiggle under a leaf and go underground. Bush? The term “village idiot” could never be more appropriately applied to any other being the he. And….he was the president. The American people allowed this…not me….I didn’t vote for the Connecticut Yankee in boots, jeans, etc., claiming to be a Texan. Everything about the VI was/is a lie. A friend of mine bought the ranch next to his, and, as a token of friendship and welcome, offered him a fine Appaloosa…..which he refused saying he hated horses, cattle, etc. And, I will always believe the only “brain” B. had was/is in the skull of Rove. May the saints, God, all the angels in heaven, and the universe preserve us and save us from any more “likes” of this ilk. I fear for our country….and one of his family is now running, as Hispanic, for state office here in Texas.

  4. SO says:

    From Spartacus Educational,

    In November 1935 Butler wrote an article for the socialist magazine Common Sense: “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.”

    • sgtdoom says:

      Speaking of the attempted coup against Roosevelt, two books along with that one mentioned which should be mandatory reading:

      Battling Wall Street: the Kennedy presidency, by Donald Gibson

      Thy Will Be Done, by Gerard Colby with Charlotte Dennett

      (also would recommend Gibson’s Wealth, Power and the Crisis of Lassez Faire Capitalism)

      These books continue the thread of the attempted coup against FDR, really explaining almost fully how we arrived here.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      If this is what interests you then read the best:Toynbee’s A History of the World. The condensed 2 vol one is fine and then you might want to go on to the uncondensed.

      The other is reading Foucault as his genealogical method has redone history and all the other human sciences. You could begin with Power/Knowledge translated from the French by Alan Sheridan his best translator.

      A completely different way of organizing the same things you already know.

    • Tom says:

      Dr. Gibson was one of my professors in undergrad. I took five classes with him. Currently, he’s helping me prepare for my comprehensive exams in grad school. I’ve read a couple of his books and he does an excellent job.

    • Frank von Winkhorst says:

      I should point out that Butler was the author of the classic War is a Racket, which pretty much sums up the entire raison d’etre for the current “War on Terror,” not to mention its previous incarnation as the “Cold War.”

    • SO says:

      Why do we let them run the racket?

  5. Eric says:

    I find listening to Russ Baker in interviews therapeutic. This is the way to think about the world. Critically, logically, and unbiased. So refreshing.

    • iseehowitworks says:

      “Why?” is the most under asked, under rated question in today’s society.
      OT, I have made several attempts to reply to Gosia at KU.
      They will not publish me. Am banned, apparently. My comments were “respectable”, not insulting. I had important questions.
      Nazi’s! lol
      If people like that don’t want to hear me, I guess I am thinking/saying something right.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      I have had the same problem with them. I have been banned from all the other sites like this. If you email me I will send you the site administrator’s email and you can complain to her. She is very responsive and reasonable but works full time and is a student so others help her whom I dislike very much. They try to get rid of me and I told her that she has to take care of my problem there permanently or I won’t be back. There are enough there who know me and agree with me but are often on different time zones. I am seymourblogger at gmail. Now they are trying to punish me by eliminating you. I feel it is important to confront this tabloid way of thinking as it has penetrated everything so I address the Discourse they use, the way they frame everything, making it impossible to do anything but play intellectual ping pong.

    • abbeysbooks says:

      Go over to crushable. jenni and jill are great.

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    • abbeysbooks says:

      I am trying to see how what I do fits in with you at WhoWhatWhy. One thing is the obsessed detail at wordpress analyzed the images of Kristen Stewart’s “cheating” pictures with her director Rupert Sanders last summer creating millions of dollars for the tabloids and a furor in the twilight fandom the likes of which no tabloid zine has ever seen before. The lawyer who analyzed the pictures was excruciatingly good. Now if all those who learned from his/her analysis applied that to yours of the Boston Bomber and created the same level of furor, wouldn’t that be wonderful. Sacco and Vanzetti all over again. Nietzsche’s Eternal Return.

    • Guest says:

      I see comments from you over at KU.

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